Why people with ASD / Autism / AS should not be a neo nazi

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There seems to be an unspoken strawman idea wherein it's assumed that "actual nazis" must be jack-booted skinheads covered in swastikas who vocally hate everything different from themselves. But even in actual nazi germany, many nazis looked just like normal people - because they WERE normal people. A person didn't have to actively hate, round up, and slaughter jews to be a nazi - all it takes is to look at the plan, and go "I am ok with this plan". Even if they didn't hate jews, and "some of their best friends were jews", and genuinely believed that what they were doing was good for germany and the world, they were still ok with the cost that course of action would incur.

Unfortunately, there are autistics that seem to genuinely believe that having autism is an evolutionary leap that makes them "better" in various ways. And being genetically "better" is part of the foundation of both the nazi party, and white supremacy as a whole. So it's not actually that far a leap for such an autistic to be drawn to the idea of "genetic superiority" in some form or another.

Labels and ideologies are not so cut and dry that someone wakes up one day, hops on the internet, does a little reading, and decides in the moment "I'm gonna be a nazi!" and starts adopting the role - though there are rare exceptions. Some people are so desperate for a place to belong that they'll wear any hat that they can fit into.

Usually a person already has biases, and people find whatever confirms the biases they already hold. Maybe a black kid bullied you when you were a kid. Maybe a latino dude stole your bike when you were a teenager. Maybe a middle easterner cut you off in traffic. Whatever the anecdotal justification or rationalization, the fact remains is that the individual adopts a skewed perception of others - and in the absence of facts, the brain get creative, and fills in the gaps with assumption. And it's far easier to just say "blacks are thugs, latinos are thieves, and middle easterners are rude" and bury it under confirmation bias, than it is to try to actually understand individual people as individuals.

Even people who are jerks and proud of it still don't actually like being TREATED like they're a jerk. They want you to treat them like they're anyone else, and just let them be a jerk without consequence. When the average person whines about "acceptance" they usually just mean accepting THEM, with no interest in extending the same courtesy to others. Racists and bigots don't like admitting their beliefs are racist or bigoted either. Bigots don't see their opinions as bigotry - they believe their opinions, so to them, it's just stating a fact.

Tl; dr lots of people shouldn't be lots of things that they are anyways, because of distorted self-interest.

Reply to Mona Pereth’s post above. Again CAPTHA won’t let me reply.It puts me through checkboxes before wiping out my reply.

Yeah, I am aware of that past, and I am aware that traditionally it has been conservatives that have been censors and violent ones at that.

Every illiberal movement has the POTENTIAL to violently destroy freedom of expression, rule of law, kill off groups of people they don’t like etc. While all illiberal groups must be countered with limited resources a threat assessment and prioritizing is an unfortunate fact of life. Any predicting the future is fraught. That said it is my belief that at the moment that the greater potential comes from the “antifa”, “regressive left” , “woke”, or whatever people are calling them. That prediction is based on the current power balance between these groups, the youth and related superior ability of the illiberal left to understand and use the internet their demonstrated skill at weaponizing language.

If an truly authoritarian regime is installed here why should I care who done it? Why should I care that the people who done it had good intentions if those good intentions started us on the road to hell?. If it is the illiberal left that takes over should I guess I should be glad they possibly prevented the nazis from taking over but I doubt I would be.


If you are interested in this type of lesser of two evils discussion this thread might be of interest to you. In it 14 critics of what they call “critical social justice” from various backgrounds and political persuasions argue that voting for Donald Trump is they worst thing you can do if you want to end this trend.

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That comes off as they were just mislead. I was aware when learning about WWII in high school that there were people who were naïve so they helped Nazis find Jewish people and turn them in because they were mislead by the actual Nazis. There was a lot of propaganda then in Germany so it wouldn't surprise me if many people went along and supported the ideologies Nazis had.

I remember that rumor in my school that Hitler was Jewish.



Autism supremacy. There was a lot of that here many years back when this forum was less than ten years old. Many of them have seemed to have left here and moved to Facebook.



Like that time online when someone formally from here decided to join a racist forum and say racist things because she wanted to desperately fit in and be understood. She stupidly used the same username for there she did here and at other aspie sites so that was how I found her there and was shocked she was racist. But she claimed she was not and she only wanted to be accepted so she joined them. So she was pretending to be racist then? But it did not look good for her and had to suffer the social consequences.



Yes, I can confirm that after talking to some racists online and reading their thoughts, many of them do not know they are racist and they think what they are saying is facts. They even think you are only calling them racist because you disagree with their views. They may even hide behind the term "critical thinking" to be racist. Then they do the reverse racism thing by calling you the racist when you point out their racism or a racial issue in our country and will also call you the bigot for not tolerating their bigotry and their racism. Denying racism is racism.

Ahhh I was wondering what happened to those fellows.

They're in power right now (and have a long track record of being far more violent than their opponents).

I think the left is going through changes and are splintering on many issues. The neo-left like antifa are new and very hard to pin down in terms of what their long term goals are. I personally think they don't threaten normal decent people and while their "take to arms" philosophy isn't my cup of tea they aren't really much worse than any armed militia in the US who seemed to patted on the back by conservative republicans as "true gun-owning patriots" and "heroes".

The republicans love Kyle Rittenhouse who murdered 2 people and seriously injured one yet the Kenosha militia which he is affiliated to is still allowed to function.

@League_Girl -

Some may very well have been mislead about what was happening - that's why you round them up and cart them off before you eliminate them - out of sight, out of mind - all people know is that they're "not here". You can't go see for yourself, so you have to take Fearless Leader's word for it.

Of course, then, as now, some people did know, and were ok with it anyways. To some people, killing a few million people is acceptable if it secures the eternal prosperity of billions of other people - "the needs of the many" often gets tossed around in defense of this. People will be ok with all kinds of sacrifice, as long as they're not the ones that have to make it. The price is always more "acceptable" when you're not the one that has to pay it.

As for autistic supremacy, there's still a bit of it floating around here. As soon as someone starts embracing the idea that one person is "better" than another in some way or another, it becomes really easy to justify treating one person different from another, on the grounds that they "deserve" it - one person is "worth more" than another. Believing that one person is worth more than another person has been the number one justification for some of the worst acts committed in human history.

As far as Antifa, the unspoken strawman seems to be the implication that the fascism they are fighting doesn't actually exist, and they're just "leftist fascists" pushing their agenda - which is somehow both forcing diversity AND enforcing groupthink. Because "leftists" are somehow both spineless crybabies AND jackbooted enforcers. Quite the paradox.

Trump desperately wants to be authoritarian and has gotten too close for comfort but a neo nazi nope. Neo Nazis are people whom if they had the power to do so would kill off all minorities and start a war with the intention of having America capture the world. The describing every person whom has some rightist authoritarian leaning views, rightist authoritarian wannabes, and even actual authoritarians as nazis or neo nazis both waters down the actual evil of nazis and the bad people being compared to them. It increases disbelief of problems caused by people being compared to them and if a serious actual Nazi threat emerges it is increasing the chances of the threat being viewed as hysteria.

I understand the above seems an immoral nuancing of evil. But in order to fight evil one must understand it.

Right wing terrorism can be understood better when you lock them behind bars and study them from behind a glass screen.

Indeed he's not a neo-Nazi himself, but he does flirt with neo-Nazis, e.g. by occasionally re-tweeting their stuff.


I would define a neo-Nazi as someone who admires Hitler and who (1) calls oneself a Nazi and/or likes to use Nazi-derived symbols as a political statement and/or (2) is in agreement with the aims of today's neo-Nazi groups.

The last time I studied up on what the American neo-Nazi movement was up to (a few years ago), their main aim was to create a whites-only homeland somewhere in Montana and/or Idaho, as well as to maintain white dominance and re-introduce segregation in the U.S.A. as a whole. They also believe that the world is ruled by a conspiracy of evil Jews, and they believe that the Holocaust didn't happen but it should have.

Today's neo-Nazi groups are a subset of the larger white nationalist movement. White nationalists in general tend to share at least some, but not all, of the aims and beliefs of the neo-Nazis, but many of them reject Nazi imagery and authoritarianism. (Another branch of the white nationalist movement is the so-called "constitutionalist patriots" who want the U.S.A. to go back to an older form of the U.S. constitution, getting rid of all the amendments that were passed after the Bill of Rights.)

A bit surprisingly, most neo-Nazis and other white nationalists want the U.S.A. to cut back on its overseas military commitments, not "start a war with the intention of having America capture the world." Also, they tend to admire Putin's Russia.


I agree that it is best to refrain from over-using the label "Nazi".

Understanding them might catch them after they have done something. Understanding them might help having the correct education that prevents some of them from becoming radicalized.

If you broadcast neonazi propaganda, then that's exactly what you are. Trump is a neonazi.

The elites at the top use all that blame Nazi , Russia , China Nonsense to distract you from their own incompetence or corruption.

I’d be willing to bet the numbers of REAL Nazi’s in the US ( those who support hitlers racial / anti Jewish among others policies )to be tiny and irrelevant.

There’s prob more devil worshipers and Scientologist than real nazi’s but everyone goes on a Nazi witch hunt rather than talk about real issues. The rich get richer meanwhile and laugh all the way to the bank.

Trump blames China and Mexicans because it’s fast loosing its superpower status.

While the left blame Russia and Nazi’s.

I believe Biden is blaming Russia for his son’s laptop & corrupt doings.

What a scam.

How long can the US keep this up?