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10 Sep 2021, 5:46 pm

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Ah yes, the ancient Soviet meme of but in America they're lynching negros.


Yup, there's some interesting stuff in the various declassified and leaked Soviet files that became available at the end of the cold war about how they intentionally played up racial conflicts in the US through their various agents in the press, or later actually attempted to create and influence black militant groups in the US during the civil rights era, both to distract from their own misdeeds and to keep us occupied with an internal struggle. What's funnier is the private thoughts of many of these Soviet intelligence officers recorded in some of the materials, things to the effect of "why are the Americans putting up with this, why don't they just throw these people in camps like we do?" kind of stuff, or a collective "what's the big deal?" when Watergate happened, they couldn't believe we'd force a president out over such a bungling conspiracy as that.


I think Russia really fails to understand how non-absolutist states work on some levels, but also understands how to turn some of their strengths into weaknesses.

Like some of the crises the American system can easily absorb would seem likely to be much more catastrophic from their perspective, meanwhile for Americans and other folks familiar with pluralism and liberalism they'd seem obviously survivable.


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10 Sep 2021, 8:33 pm

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The face of consummate evil.
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Trump to me always has this look in his eyes like he would murder someone if he thought he could get away with it. :evil:


"Oh, ok."
So, you are comparing a *situation* where Xi is engaging in genocide and the orange man is not.
Ok. :?

Not a fan of Trump.
I am a fan of rational thinking. 8)



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10 Sep 2021, 8:35 pm

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thhe tiger posting is cute .... but what the poor Uigher ( Wegher) are going through is not so cute .
from reports that i have heard in the US media the Chinese are inflicting a genocide against them ? :(


It's true and very sad, and what's worst is that there are some people that have either downplayed the severity of the issue or outright denied what China is doing.

As they say "follow the money". I think we all know why the rest of the world isnt doing s**t about China's ethnic cleansing. They have too much invested into China financially.


There’s also the possibility of being called racist if you criticize China.

Only criticize countries dominated by white Christians.


"Sounds like a (safe) plan." 8)



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10 Sep 2021, 8:36 pm

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Isn't that Winnie the Pooh? :scratch:


Wouldn't it be a Chinese "Tigger"? :scratch:


Are you familiar with how strictly censored Winnie the Pooh is and why?

Xi Jinping really doesn't like being depicted as Winnie the Pooh which just by itself seems like a good reason to only ever depict him as Pooh bear.


Cooking with Pooh!! !

Elmo Experiments had way better cover art, though


In this context, shouldn't "Pooh" be a panda? :scratch:



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10 Sep 2021, 8:39 pm

King0fSpades wrote:
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Jakki wrote:
thhe tiger posting is cute .... but what the poor Uigher ( Wegher) are going through is not so cute .
from reports that i have heard in the US media the Chinese are inflicting a genocide against them ? :(


It's true and very sad, and what's worst is that there are some people that have either downplayed the severity of the issue or outright denied what China is doing.

As they say "follow the money". I think we all know why the rest of the world isnt doing s**t about China's ethnic cleansing. They have too much invested into China financially.


There’s also the possibility of being called racist if you criticize China.

Only criticize countries dominated by white Christians.


Just like there is a risk of being called an anti-semite for criticizing Israel. Believe me I know from personal experience. :roll:


The racism card is used extensively to censor free expression, yes. 8)
I got burned very badly, years ago, because some people misinterpreted where I was coming from. 8O

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then all their associates and friends start the same rumours about you .


Yes.
It turns into a lynch mob.
How ironic. :roll:



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10 Sep 2021, 8:40 pm

I think it all comes from the pic of him and Obama walking .It matches the stride of Tigger and Pooh walking together.Image


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10 Sep 2021, 8:55 pm

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In this context, shouldn't "Pooh" be a panda? :scratch:


Only if Xi is so tired he has bags under his eyes.


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10 Sep 2021, 9:14 pm

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There’s also the possibility of being called racist if you criticize China.

Only criticize countries dominated by white Christians.

I have some rambling comments to make on the topic of criticizing China. Not sure if anyone will read or try to understand.

First, I don't think there is any shortage of criticism of China in today's world. I am quite willing to criticize all sorts of things related to Chinese foreign policy, domestic policy, business practices, etc. None of this criticism would bring anything new to the conversation.

Now bear in mind I am American. For my entire life, America has always been the most heavily criticized country in the world. Not that America didn't deserve at least some of that criticism, but deserved or not, that is the case. This phenomenon was perhaps most intense during the Cold War, esp. in Europe, but never really went away. It occurred to me a few years ago that for once, America had a rival as a target of global criticism i.e. China. It's nice to see somebody else get some hate for once, but that doesn't make it a good thing. To me it seems hypocritical to revel in group hate towards another country as a change from always being the recipient of such hate. It would be better to strive for some understanding.


First of all, China is an existential threat to Australia.
The people of Czechoslovakia and Poland had a right to hate and fear Nazi Germany before the war started.
Mate, seriously.

Secondly, we here in Australia understand the Chinese/ccp intimidation completely. 8)

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Let me also say the that policies for which China is most frequently criticized at present of more or less the same policies pursued by the US, Canada, and Australia towards aboriginal populations earlier in their history, except in a 21st Century context.



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And those countries never paid any real price for it. So even if we recognize Chinese policy as wrong, we don't really have the moral standing to point fingers.


Firstly, China/ccp will never pay for their crimes.
They will even get away with being responsible for the coronavirus escaping the Wuhan lab and killing millions of people.

Secondly, Australia pays literally billions of dollars to help the indigenous population every year.

I am not being nationalistic.
Just stating the logical Truth. 8)

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This is a matter for the world community. The US has no special responsibility to spearhead the "anti-Chinese struggle". The US has no special responsibility to lead the global campaign of outrage against China.


I beg your pardon?
Australia led the charge to determine the origins of the coronavirus, and we paid an enormous price, through trade and threats, as a result.
Personally, I think it was a mistake for us to go it alone.

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And what is to be gained through outrage? Will this convince China to change its behavior and adopt "Western" policies towards its minorities, dissidents, etc?


What has been gained is the realisation that the ccp government is a threat to world peace and that countries/businesses should stop thinking with their wallets and consider the moral ramification of dealing with a country that engages in genocide, organ harvesting, slave labour, and an endemic disrespect for individuality.
Seriously, mate. [sigh]

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The US President, Biden, has accused China of genocide. So have many other Western leaders. At least they're clear on that point — maybe that's enough for now.


If it is only "lip service", it is only "lip service". 8O

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OTOH in the US today we have millions of people with some sort of ties to China; business, familial, educational, etc. If we declare a Cold War against China and China transitions from being a rival to being a enemy, all those people could now find themselves under suspicion as potential traitors. What good would that do? If we start boycotting China, it can only hurt our economy. How many Uighurs does that help?


So you are saying the free world should tolerate the ccp's intimidation?
The theft of the South China seas tradelines, the annexation of Hong Kong, the daily incursions of naval and air units into Tawainese and Japanese territorial borders?
Seriously, mate. [sigh]

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I think the Congo is an absolutely retched place with hardly a white person in sight. I would be happy to criticize the Congo and its government all day, but what good would it do? There's a reason Western, white-dominated countries are criticized, and reasons China is criticized. I criticize my own country because that is the one country in which my opinion might make a difference.


A rather naive and illogical rant POV, IMO.
Think of the events leading to WWII.
The similarities are terrifying. 8O



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10 Sep 2021, 9:17 pm

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In this context, shouldn't "Pooh" be a panda? :scratch:


Only if Xi is so tired he has bags under his eyes.


Your humour is not wanted.
Always stay on topic as I do. :mrgreen:



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10 Sep 2021, 9:24 pm

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interesting how amuuuurica has both kinds of people, the ones busting in and the ones in quiet desperation longing to leave, and in 2020 about 10 million of the latter group did indeed pull up stakes and say "sayonara."


Australia used to be a haven, but with the Chinese/ccp threat, I can't think of any place in the world I would want to live in.
If/when China invades Australia, New Zealand will be next, so that isn't a viable solution, either. 8O
Thankfully, I am getting old and don't have any children to worry about. :mrgreen:

Stupid breeders. 8)


Why do you think China would invade Australia?



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10 Sep 2021, 9:28 pm

King0fSpades wrote:
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There’s also the possibility of being called racist if you criticize China.

Only criticize countries dominated by white Christians.

I have some rambling comments to make on the topic of criticizing China. Not sure if anyone will read or try to understand.

First, I don't think there is any shortage of criticism of China in today's world. I am quite willing to criticize all sorts of things related to Chinese foreign policy, domestic policy, business practices, etc. None of this criticism would bring anything new to the conversation.

Now bear in mind I am American. For my entire life, America has always been the most heavily criticized country in the world. Not that America didn't deserve at least some of that criticism, but deserved or not, that is the case. This phenomenon was perhaps most intense during the Cold War, esp. in Europe, but never really went away. It occurred to me a few years ago that for once, America had a rival as a target of global criticism i.e. China. It's nice to see somebody else get some hate for once, but that doesn't make it a good thing. To me it seems hypocritical to revel in group hate towards another country as a change from always being the recipient of such hate. It would be better to strive for some understanding.

Let me also say the that policies for which China is most frequently criticized at present of more or less the same policies pursued by the US, Canada, and Australia towards aboriginal populations earlier in their history, except in a 21st Century context. And those countries never paid any real price for it. So even if we recognize Chinese policy as wrong, we don't really have the moral standing to point fingers. This is a matter for the world community. The US has no special responsibility to spearhead the "anti-Chinese struggle". The US has no special responsibility to lead the global campaign of outrage against China. And what is to be gained through outrage? Will this convince China to change its behavior and adopt "Western" policies towards its minorities, dissidents, etc? The US President, Biden, has accused China of genocide. So have many other Western leaders. At least they're clear on that point — maybe that's enough for now.

OTOH in the US today we have millions of people with some sort of ties to China; business, familial, educational, etc. If we declare a Cold War against China and China transitions from being a rival to being a enemy, all those people could now find themselves under suspicion as potential traitors. What good would that do? If we start boycotting China, it can only hurt our economy. How many Uighurs does that help?

I think the Congo is an absolutely retched place with hardly a white person in sight. I would be happy to criticize the Congo and its government all day, but what good would it do? There's a reason Western, white-dominated countries are criticized, and reasons China is criticized. I criticize my own country because that is the one country in which my opinion might make a difference.


Sounds like you're basically saying we should all tolerate China's genocide today just because our own countries committed genocide a long time ago. Oh and "It's all about the economy!"


It is a "remarkable" POV, yes. 8O
Completely indefensible, logically speaking.
It is almost like he is leaning into a punch. :mrgreen:

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That's the most BS excuse for defending China's genocide that I hear CCP apologists say all the time. I have to wonder if you would feel the same about the whole "Don't judge them!" attitude if it was you and your family being snatched off the streets and placed in concentration camps?


Is it against WP rulz to call someone an "apologist"?
If not, I concur. 8)

And we in Australia are being existentially threatened by the ccp, while he is safe in America.
Disgusting. :eew: :mrgreen:



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10 Sep 2021, 9:57 pm

CCP cannot take on Australia militarily .. so if they conquer Australia , it will be from the inside.
The Chinese will build a big trade presence with that Country , then will will build a Corporate presence . Teach Australia how to monitor / manage their population , by destroying the individuals privacy . Possibly gaining control of their economy ..
The Orangeball Trump saw this tactic happening and put huge tariffs on Chinese made goods.
At the same time , he was encouraging . American business to make products over here. .
American steel companies felt this right away. No more cheap Chinese steel used overhere.
Cheap as in price as well as quality. Have had people working with products made with chinese steel
show me , the products lacked durability .
So am quite sure the entirety of Western Military would come to the aide of Australia if , that country was threatened in that way , directly by China .


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11 Sep 2021, 4:22 am

King0fSpades wrote:
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The face of consummate evil.
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Trump to me always has this look in his eyes like he would murder someone if he thought he could get away with it. :evil:

as a military cadet he tried to murder a classmate by shoving him out a window, his fellow cadets had to pull him back.



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11 Sep 2021, 5:11 am

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CCP cannot take on Australia militarily .. so if they conquer Australia , it will be from the inside.


If that is so, my dear chick-a-dee, why is our defence Minister, Peter Dutton going to America to plead with the government to allow Austalian manufacturers licence to produce American weaponry?
And why has our government pledged an additional 750 billion dollars in defence spending to help disincentivise Chinese aggression?

The situation in Australia is direr.
We have been sleeping at the wheel.
The entire world needs to wake up to the fact that Nazi China/ccp is the biggest threat to world peace. 8O



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11 Sep 2021, 5:12 am

auntblabby wrote:
King0fSpades wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Pepe wrote:
The face of consummate evil.
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Trump to me always has this look in his eyes like he would murder someone if he thought he could get away with it. :evil:

as a military cadet he tried to murder a classmate by shoving him out a window, his fellow cadets had to pull him back.


Source?
But even if true, it is not the same as genocide. 8)



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I condemn China on the basis of its policy in Xinjiang. I thought that was a given. That's the last I will say on this topic here, although I'm considering starting a new thread on China. This thread was intended for people who want to express their gratitude for not living in America and should have nothing to do with China. Let's hope subsequent posts are consistent with this agenda.

I apologize for offending so many people. The experience reminds me of experiences in my youth in which otherwise rival groups sometimes decided I was their common enemy, and ganged up on me. Although here what I think I'm seeing is that some more cynical WP members are influencing the more trusting members to take their side.

If anybody sincerely wants to understand my point of view on this topic, they can feel free to PM me, however I will report antagonistic PMs.


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