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22 Aug 2007, 2:31 pm

EatingPoetry wrote:

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That Jesus existed is historical fact.

What is the evidence for this?

Use the internet if you're really interested. Jesus' historical existence is a well known, secularly-documented fact.

That seems to be what he was doing. There is proof of a man named Jesus, but no proof he actually did any of the stuff the Bible says or implies.

Lack of evidence is usually not the reason people don't believe in Jesus as God. That they have every worldly incentive not to usually comes into play.

Yes, pray tell, what is my worldy incentive not to? This should be good.

It's a general truth. It's up to you to apply it personally or not. I'm not here to judge or condemn anyone, but I do share general truths as I am required to. If you want me to be quite honest, it doesn't bother me if you choose to reject God. The reason it doesn't bother me is that it's your choice to make, by God-given right. Therefore, whatever consequences ensue are caused directly by you. I've made my decision for me, and am assured daily by God in it.

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22 Aug 2007, 2:34 pm

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Good. Now try studying it. And don't be afraid if all the questions in the Universe aren't immediately answered. God was born of fear. There can be unanswered questions, it's okay.

Actually, I'm quite calm and secure about the most major matters of my life.

"For God has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind" (2 Tim 1:7).

This is a great Bible quote as it illustrates my point exactly.

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22 Aug 2007, 2:36 pm

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Good. Now try studying it. And don't be afraid if all the questions in the Universe aren't immediately answered. God was born of fear. There can be unanswered questions, it's okay.

Actually, I'm quite calm and secure about the most major matters of my life.

"For God has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind" (2 Tim 1:7).

This is a great Bible quote as it illustrates my point exactly.

Two men looking at one piece of evidence will often interpret it differently. That's all it proves.

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22 Aug 2007, 2:42 pm

Quoting the bible is not 'evidence.'

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22 Aug 2007, 2:50 pm

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Ragtime, how the f**k do you know why other people don't believe in your god?

How do I know human nature? Don't most people? People would rather be their own god than worship another; that's basic!

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This is actually what I used to believe in my childhood days at church, anyone who didn't believe in God, it was because the person was rejecting him, because that person had rebelion against God, and somehow that was "evil". Just like you think right now. Growing up I became more aware about these things, and now I know that people who don't believe in God are not "evil" nor rebelious, I know how that works now, is not like that at all, but I suppose that could be part of the dogma, that if you don't believe God exists or just simply question that, it's because something is wrong with you.

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22 Aug 2007, 2:55 pm

Ragtime wrote:

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Ragtime, how the f**k do you know why other people don't believe in your god?

How do I know human nature? Don't most people? People would rather be their own god than worship another; that's basic!

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I think I told you this before, about this example, a catholic person would say to you that you are rejecting Mary, mother of Jesus, because you don't believe in her, the conclusion would be that you have a rebelion against her, how would you earn God trust if you reject her own mother?

I wonder how this makes sense to you.

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22 Aug 2007, 2:56 pm

Ragtime wrote:

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Ragtime, how the f**k do you know why other people don't believe in your god?

How do I know human nature? Don't most people? People would rather be their own god than worship another; that's basic!

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22 Aug 2007, 3:37 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

LKL wrote:

JonnyBGoode wrote:

That Jesus existed is historical fact.

What is the evidence for this?

Use the internet if you're really interested. Jesus' historical existence is a well known, secularly-documented fact.

That seems to be what he was doing. There is proof of a man named Jesus, but no proof he actually did any of the stuff the Bible says or implies.

Lack of evidence is usually not the reason people don't believe in Jesus as God. That they have every worldly incentive not to usually comes into play.

I thought there were a lot more incentives to believe in God than to not do so.

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22 Aug 2007, 3:39 pm

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime, how the f**k do you know why other people don't believe in your god?

He was told by God.

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22 Aug 2007, 3:45 pm

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Quoting the bible is not 'evidence.'

Actually, it is. Attorney Simon Greenleaf, famed jurisprudence scholar of Harvard, who authored many of America's laws of evidence, wrote that the four Gospels, through their consistent agreement, yet clearly different perspectives, well qualify for making a legal case for Christ under our laws of admissible evidence.

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22 Aug 2007, 3:47 pm

Hadron wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

LKL wrote:

JonnyBGoode wrote:

That Jesus existed is historical fact.

What is the evidence for this?

Use the internet if you're really interested. Jesus' historical existence is a well known, secularly-documented fact.

That seems to be what he was doing. There is proof of a man named Jesus, but no proof he actually did any of the stuff the Bible says or implies.

Lack of evidence is usually not the reason people don't believe in Jesus as God. That they have every worldly incentive not to usually comes into play.

I thought there were a lot more incentives to believe in God than to not do so.

Key word "worldly".

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22 Aug 2007, 3:48 pm

(And BTW, greenblue, congrats on finally getting your gender right Nice avatar!)

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22 Aug 2007, 3:55 pm

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(And BTW, greenblue, congrats on finally getting your gender right

Nice avatar!)

Thanks, I wonder now that I changed gender, would I be condemn to hell for it?

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22 Aug 2007, 4:14 pm

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(And BTW, greenblue, congrats on finally getting your gender right

Nice avatar!)

Thanks, I wonder now that I changed gender, would I be condemn to hell for it?

Why do people think that Christianity is about aberrant sex, when there's SO MUCH MORE you can go to Hell for?

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22 Aug 2007, 4:14 pm

The fact that the authority of the gospels rests on the existence of the very thing that they are claiming to be the evidence for, does not bother you?

In that case, the Sutras are proof of the divinity of the Buddha.

People think it's about sex because that's what the most vocal xians rant about.

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22 Aug 2007, 4:15 pm

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You're the fifth WP member I've seen confuse evidence with proof.

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