White Muslims?

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Oh my.....white?

There are many many many creeds of peoples that're muslims....

And yes, this is a very old thread....

I was a much more angry and bitter atheist then. I made more worse threads than this bashing all faiths i felt paranoid of. I have met very spiritual and peaceful muslims since then
who i believe have a real centre? A lot of them know about truther stuff and NWO. I think it was being into WuTang and hearing their lyrics about Islam, the five percent nation and their paranoia of NWO that made me feel warmer to the faith. And the frends i have had.

I am also disapointed with Islamic people who persecute gays, but i think most people think they should be let off to be bigoted, as they are cool and exotic and anti-american,

Islam is a religion and a culture. It has no necessary connection to "racial" characteristics such as skin color. Anyone can become a Muslim.

ruveyn

are you serious? :S:S:S

half of yugoslavia is muslim, theyre white. turkey is muslim, theyre not exactly "blackies"
also, people DO convert.
just like you got christians in canada and christians in ethiopia.

what about asian muslims? mongol muslims of the xinjiang, or malay muslims?

wooooow....

so americans never persecuted gays? white people never persecuted gays, aaand christians never persecuted gays?

this thread is SO full of miserable fail

QFT ZEGH!

I complain about christian bigots all the time. I grew up with homophobic christians. I've spent my whole life moaning about them.

Why not just denounce bigots then insted of coupleing the denouncement with the persons religion. People who are homophobic can use their religion to support their claims but the problem is with their bigotary, as they could easily ignore the parts in their religion if they did not agree with it (seeing as no one sacrifices doves on periods etc).

Joining in with hatred against attacked minority groups is not a good thing. Currently muslims are being portrayed as the new 'hate group' and I think it very poor form of you to join in with this. You did know (as Ive told you already) that Jews were promoted as being terrorists prior to the second world war and other propaganda used against them to enable the nazis to target them easier. Its important to have solidarity with vulnerable groups not join in the attack on them.

I think even if you dont agree with what various religious people think it is important to look at the bigger picture and not to be suckered into to propaganda which serves the governments purposes (to invade middle eastern countries and control their economies).

I don't believe that a religious homophobe is a bigot first and then uses religion as an excuse,

I have known many christians who werent anti gay before they were converted but had to force themselves to start disaproving of it because they wanted to follow an inerrant bible,

It says in the new testement that rituals about doves on periods and kosher food don't apply to christians, but they still have to believe gay is wrong,

I know it suits the powers that be to demonize muslims, but a lot of them do have bigoted beliefs, even liberal Muslims are complaining about it. So i think people should be honest about religions faults.

Anyway i will not be guilty about a thread from 4 years ago when i was full of hate and paranoia.

If people would force themsleves to hold a belief that they did not agree with then its that individuals lack of integrity that is at fault and not the fact that they belong to that religion.

I have not read anything anti gay in the new testament only in the old testament.

saying 'even liberal muslims ...' is the same sort of line the BNP uses when they say 'even minorities say no more imigration'. Talking about 'honesty' is also a big BNP line. I would think about that if I were you.

and I believe i quoted your post from now not 4 years ago.

I don't like the idea that I should not be honest becasue the bnp talk about honesty. I do not think people should lie to white-wash religions for the greater good of tricking people into thinking they are more tolerant than they really are.

There is more bigotry in religous places like the southern US bible belt and strict arab countries, I do not think it is because the people there are inherently more bigoted than people who live in more liberal areas, I think it is because religion holds more sway there.

its not about lieing or tricking the point I made about useing the phraze 'honesty' is not connected to actual honesty but is a propaganda phraze which is unarguable since everyone favours honesty so is used in rhetoric. The same way as with people who are anti the iraq war are often told, 'well would you have not stopped hitler?' when it is not to do with it and most people would want to stop hitler so it is a technique to throw people off. And when people have heard such lines they repeat them with out thinking about the bigger picture.

Some places are more bigoted because of social norms, research has shown that when whites emigrated to zimbabwe they became more racist as time went on and their values went with their new peers. I would think a similar thing happens with prejudice in other places that people judge their veiws next to their peers and this polarises veiws in certain areas. But people can always stand out against such views so must hold personal responsibility insted of blaming their religion or culture.

fair enough interesting points. I believe religons can evolve do be more critical and less bigoted, i just wish it was happening faster.

Good old vetivert need to come back here.

noone on this thread has claimed that. you created a straw man.