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18 Aug 2008, 5:42 am

Formerly Agnostic, now Yevonite. Praise be to Yevon! Oh s**t, Yevon tells us that using technology is baaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

*returns to Agnostic*

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18 Aug 2008, 2:07 pm

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Kilroy wrote:

I'd rather worship the monkey with a gun :lol:

Why?

Because he would kill you quickly rather than burning you slowly and agonizing to death.

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18 Aug 2008, 5:13 pm

greenblue wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Kilroy wrote:

I'd rather worship the monkey with a gun :lol:

Why?

Because he would kill you quickly rather than burning you slowly and agonizing to death.

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18 Aug 2008, 5:32 pm

I have no religion. I am an atheist, but maybe that's just what I believe in :wink:

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18 Aug 2008, 5:48 pm

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I have no religion. I am an atheist, but maybe that's just what I believe in :wink:

Is it possible to believe in a negative as you would a positive? Atheism offers absolutely nothing as a faith-object.

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18 Aug 2008, 6:17 pm

slowmutant wrote:

kitty2 wrote:

I have no religion. I am an atheist, but maybe that's just what I believe in :wink:

Is it possible to believe in a negative as you would a positive? Atheism offers absolutely nothing as a faith-object.

It is very possible to believe in a negative. There are at least four forms of belief regarding proposition P.

1: I believe P.
2: I neither believe nor disbelieve P.
3: I deny P. (== I believe P'.)
4: I am ignorant of P, altogether.

P' stands for the proposition that P is false. To deny P is to accept P'. The two are inextricably linked.

Position 1 is commonly called "belief". Position 3 is mistakenly called "skepticism", when it should actually be called "denial". Position 2 is the actual proper skeptical position. It is most formally known as "isosthenia".

Both belief and denial are dogmas, if one is speaking in strict philosophical terms.

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18 Aug 2008, 6:31 pm

So, by your logic Atheism is indeed a religion.

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18 Aug 2008, 11:32 pm

slowmutant wrote:

So, by your logic Atheism is indeed a religion.

it's a belief system. simply because you believe in something, doesn't mean you're following a religion.

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18 Aug 2008, 11:42 pm

Dogbrain wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

kitty2 wrote:

I have no religion. I am an atheist, but maybe that's just what I believe in :wink:

Is it possible to believe in a negative as you would a positive? Atheism offers absolutely nothing as a faith-object.

Excellent explanation Dogbrain.

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19 Aug 2008, 2:16 am

beef_bourito wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

So, by your logic Atheism is indeed a religion.

it's a belief system. simply because you believe in something, doesn't mean you're following a religion.

You just called it a belief-system! This is some deep denial you've got going.

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19 Aug 2008, 7:32 am

slowmutant wrote:

So, by your logic Atheism is indeed a religion.

It lacks a cultus. It has some but not all of the necessary aspects of a religion.

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19 Aug 2008, 8:26 am

Dogbrain wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

So, by your logic Atheism is indeed a religion.

It lacks a cultus. It has some but not all of the necessary aspects of a religion.

I'd say it has all of them, included Richard Dawkins as its Pope. :wink:

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19 Aug 2008, 9:47 am

slowmutant wrote:

I'd say it has all of them, included Richard Dawkins as its Pope. :wink:

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19 Aug 2008, 9:55 am

When I think of religion vs. atheism, the relationship between matter & anitmatter comes to mind. Atheism is the Bizarro twin of Christianity.

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19 Aug 2008, 11:34 am

slowmutant wrote:

When I think of religion vs. atheism, the relationship between matter & anitmatter comes to mind. Atheism is the Bizarro twin of Christianity.

Even an atheist who grew up in India with only superficial exposure to Christianity?

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19 Aug 2008, 11:50 am

I think I'll take up the pagan way again
its cool

Odin is awesome

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