Top 17 Reasons Why Gay Marriage is Wrong

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If all you can do is play the victim, Griff, you should button it. For serious. Be a gay-rights advocate and not a gay-rights Screaming Mimi. Everybody loves to work that angle, for whatever reason. Black people, handicapped people, PETA people, NRA people, Micheal Moore, Ralph Nader, Women's Rights .... and the list just keeps on going. You hurt your cause by resorting to such crudity. Respect your opponent and show some adult integrity! You are not the onlt soap-box in town.

Now ... ahem ...

I take no sides in this, but still I have opinions. And my belief is that neither camp will ever have total victory. There can be no "total annihilation" of one's enemy. Ultimately, we just have to learn to live with each other. No human suffering should ever be trivialized. Man's inhumanity to man will in all likelihood persist.

I am more of an NT Christian than an OT Christian. An awful lot of people have missed or misunderstood or plagiarized what the message of Christ originally was.

Any kind of hatred against one's fellow man is in fact a hatred of God. The real God does not condone hate. He condones, instead, the opposite of all the fallen values modern people have.

He is my Lord and Personal Saviour. His sexuality is/was irrelevant. Totally irrelevant. Gay or straight or anything in between, history knows only one Jesus Christ. Jesus did not come down to Earth to advertize his sexual preference. Some may find this insulting, but not I.

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Look how far back you had to go to find 'data' to support your point: December 24, 1993! This is not only extremely old 'science', its source is Conservapedia, a wiki-based web encyclopedia project written from an American Conservative Christian viewpoint, which is not a valid reference from which to draw scientific conclusions.

More recent studies of homosexuality in families and in twins have suggested a link to hormone levels to which infants were exposed in utero. And, yes, this included twins sharing the same womb, who were sometimes affected differently.



So this presents quite a dilemma, given your strict moral guidelines, zendell.

One the one hand, if an infant can be identified as 'probably homosexual' in the course of prenatal testing (genetic or hormonal) it's pretty much a given that it would be absolutely immoral to terminate his life via abortion; yet, what kind of life will the child have, being brought up in a conservative Christian family, in which he is regarded as an abomination, and by whom he will be taught that everything about his very nature is wrong and sinful?

Gay children brought up in such suffocatingly dogmatic environments too often choose to commit that other big sin: suicide.

Associating yourself with a hardcore partisan like Zendell, who has repeatedly proven himself lacking in the slightest sense of integrity, shows just what kind of fake you are, Parakeet. I really don't care whether you live or die. I just don't want to hear from you on this subject again. You have no intention of addressing the real issues at stake here. All you're interested in doing is peddling your pathetic pseudoscience. I knocked you down on your nose in your "proving evolution" thread. Admit it: you're a fake. You're too cowardly to give your views the slightest honest examination. You're hollow.

Or maybe he's just a troll.

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There are "hardcore partisans" on both sides of this debate, I think. Onde side attacks the other for being so firmly entrenched in their views. Silly stuff.

Not likely, he puts too much effort into his work, I'd say that with the last few threads he's been getting annoyed but trolls are usually flashier.

There are "hardcore partisans" on both sides of this debate, I think. Onde side attacks the other for being so firmly entrenched in their views. Silly stuff. Griff, the hatred of you so vehemently accuse your enemies is rubbing off on you. How long till you form a filthy cult of your own?

Behind this issue is a bigger issue: morality. Anyone can be moral, just as anyone can immoral. There is no inherent morality in human sexuality. This debate, as far as I'm concerned, argues ambivalence and the manifestation of morality-through-sexuality.

No, Slowmutant. I have a valid point. I will not "button it." Furthermore, you can take your name-calling and shove it up your arse, and you are hardly in a position to question my integrity.

You can't discuss the moral status of homosexuality without also discussing what to have done about homosexuals. If homosexuality were determined immoral, then what? Resurrecting the sodomy laws? Allowing employers to fire us from our jobs over it? It's not a one-sided issue. It is wrong to treat it as a one-sided issue.

Whether you like it or not, Slowmutant, Christians have been very abusive toward homosexuals in the past, and this continues in some countries. You have been in the wrong. Furthermore, you have been very silent about the persecution that homosexuals are subject to in foreign countries. In fact, you refuse to accept it as a human rights issue. Why?

Do you think that having a man hung by his neck for being gay is not a human rights violation? Do you think that it is an acceptable way for a culture to behave toward a group of people?

Have you noticed how silent Bush has been about the persecution of homosexuals in Iraq? Have you even heard of it?

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/47457/

And, in Egypt:

http://www.queerty.com/egypts-gay-crack ... -20080408/

You call me a "Screaming Mimi" for being outraged over this? Seriously, give me one good reason not to hold the Christian right-wing responsible for it. Your rhetoric on this issue leads to harm, yet you avoid being held responsible for what you say and do.

Just be careful what you say regarding homosexuality.

http://www.gaynz.com/articles/publish/3 ... e_5733.php

Because people in poor countries, such as Nigeria and Jamaica, hear what you say about homosexuality, and they don't know better than to take it to heart.

Whatever the moral status of homosexuality, do we deserve our freedom? Do we deserve our jobs? Do we deserve to live with a sense of stability? Do we deserve to have families of our own? Do we deserve our lives? Do we deserve our reputations? Do we deserve our peace? Perhaps you should answer these questions instead of quibbling over whether or not homosexuality is "moral."

No. You may not move on. Answer me. Look at what I have to say, and answer from your heart instead of from your testicles.

Umm.... well, that argument in itself demands that we all work within your moral framework, which I am sure that we all don't. A number of people have claimed that there is morality bound up in human sexual relations, we cannot really effectively address them by saying: "Ha ha! You are wrong!", heck, we probably can't effectively address them period.

Unity! HA! yer such a saint today
you may be anti racist but then you're anti gay
you may be ignorant from a lack of education
but if it's sympathy you see you seek
you better turn to another station

Intolerant society rears it's ugly face
you're turning your native music into a homophobic disgrace
the gay ones, the straight ones, the white tan yellow and black
gay rude boys and girls, we're gonna take that dancehall back
we'll take it back!
because without respect there's gonna be nothing left

This double standard just won't sit that well with me
I come to say this and it's just the way it has to be
you know i'm not PC i'll shoot your kid at school
'cuz he's gonna grow up to be a f*****g as*hole just like you
you can celebrate your unity till every gay is dead
but why don't you stop your fronting with real unity instead
and on a better dime on this sh***y little globe
we would crucify the racists and be bashing all the homophobes

Intolerant society rears it's ugly face
you're turning your hardcore music into a homophobic disgrace
the gay ones, the straight ones, the white tan yellow and black
gay rude boys and girls, we're gonna take that dancehall back
we'll take it back, we'll take it back
because without respect there's gonna be nothing left

2000 triple zero stand up and take a look around
this ignorant f*****g s**t shouldn't happen in any town
so come on leave the closet and on your way out grab a bat
cuz there's a battle to be fought and the prize is f*****g phat
autonomy from ignorance there's got to be a better way
but the racist, sexist homophobes and piggies gotta pay
but right now you got to get out of your f*****g seat
and jam down to the fa***t rythm's of that crack rock steady beat

The worst that I could be accused of is paranoia, and it's hardly unjustified in light of what the Christians have done to homosexuals in the past and even presently in other parts of the world.

Think about this issue in light of how it actually affects people's lives, SM. This isn't a philosophical debate. It's not some intellectual bickering. It's a discussion about whether or not a group of people has a right to live with a sense of normalcy and stability. It is a real issue. This is my life. It's not something that I can distance myself from. Perhaps you can go in and out of the voting booth and return home, your life unchanged by your choice, but it's not that simple for me. It's something that actually affects my life. I have a right to have hard feelings toward those who would interfere with me living my life as I feel I ought to.

It's not something that just disappears as soon as I turn off my machine.

It's not something that I can escape.

It's very frighteningly real.

The sodomy laws could return, and my life could be destroyed. Why? To satisfy your god, whom I do not even believe in?

Perhaps you should burn my body to a pile of ashes and then gather around it to speak in tongues. Would you call that fun?

It may just be some game to you. It may be just some philosophical debate to you. It's not that easy for me.

You deserve freedom.

Not because of your sexual orientation, but because of your status as human beings. I am straight but I do not hate gays. Being born straight does not mean I despise those born gay. I have no reason to hate gays. A hate-crime is a hate-crime. If the victims are gay, it is no less of a hate-crime. The motiavtion behind a hate-crime is irrelevant in the face of its effect.

Gays deserve to keep their jobs. Honest and hard-working folk certainly deserve employment, regardless of sexual preference. I do not believe gays to be incapable of either.

If you don't deserve your lives, who does? Do I deserve my life? I don't know. A person deserves his reputation as much if he came by it honestly, and through hard work. You need not be gay to saboatge your own reputation or wilfully destroy it. We straights have been doing that since antiquity.

Peace? Peace be with you, I say. I know you're very upset with me, but I sincerely wish you peace & happiness all the same. No sarcasm here.

Morality IMO isn't immediately attached to sexual preference. I do not summarily accuse you or your community of being immoral. How am I moral? How are straights moral? You fight so passionsionately for the gays of the world. And valiantly. I can't imagine what your life has been like. If I were in your place, I'd be fighting your fight.

and until it affects them, they won't give a s**t about you or your life and you can die for all they care. they're no better than cattle.

I do not think of gays as cattle. I don't travel in gay circles, I don't know any gays myself, but I definitely do not think of them in sub-human terms. I'm much more enlightened than I'm being given credit for. Just because I appeared on this thread doesn't mean I agree with the views of the person who created it.