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18 Aug 2008, 10:50 pm

uh huh
as long as christianity condemns gays
I refuse to fallow any religion
tis all I know

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18 Aug 2008, 10:55 pm

Kilroy wrote:

uh huh
as long as christianity condemns gays
I refuse to fallow any religion
tis all I know

Kilroy, your personal salvation is up to you. Every man follows his own path.

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18 Aug 2008, 11:06 pm

Homosexuality? Doesn't matter to me, but I still think "gay pride" parades are the dumbest thing ever. I mean, what is there to be proud of there? Whether you're gay, straight, or bi, what about sexual orientation makes you "proud" to be it? Imagine if there was a straight pride parade....wouldn't you think that was utterly absurd?

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18 Aug 2008, 11:09 pm

Betterclassed wrote:

People fear what they don't understand. Myself, I think it's silly from an evolutionally perspective. From unbiased and non religious perspective, I don't care what they do.

I wouldn't reproduce even if I wasn't gay. There's too many humans on the planet, and I have too many genetic problems. It's a bit irresponsible to reproduce when there are so many orphans I could raise instead. Although, I'd be a terrible mother, I hate children.

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18 Aug 2008, 11:18 pm

Cyanide wrote:

Think of it more as a "We refuse to be ashamed because we are gay" parade. Makes more sense that way.

I don't get the 'proud to be an American' stickers, though, either. Proud? Of what? Being lucky enough to have been born in the 'right' country?

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18 Aug 2008, 11:25 pm

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That's how I think of Pride Parades. It's also nice to gather with other gays and be able to talk about homosexual issues, like getting rights, bigotry, and just talking. It's nice to find a group of people you share something in common with.

I don't really know about pride. I am 'proud' of my heritage, but that's not really the right word. I guess, I just like learning about history, and I feel kind of nifty about my kinship with the past. Not proud like I am of being valedictorian, or of doing well in band or some other achievement, just sort of, happy and interested to be connected to the past.

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18 Aug 2008, 11:26 pm

slowmutant wrote:

Kilroy wrote:

uh huh
as long as christianity condemns gays
I refuse to fallow any religion
tis all I know

Kilroy, your personal salvation is up to you. Every man follows his own path.

if personal salvation means having to change what I am
no thank you

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18 Aug 2008, 11:32 pm

No growth is possible without change. :idea:

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19 Aug 2008, 1:28 am

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Gay prides are in honor of those whom marched in the stonewall riots, the defied an entire country. So every year around the end of June we hold pride parades to show that we are not ashamed of who we are, that we respect those who put their lives on the line on 28 June 1969. While the political nature of the parades have diminished because of acceptance their are still parts of them that are very much about the rights we wish to have.

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19 Aug 2008, 2:38 am

How could anyone not see the honour and valour in these so-called stonewall riots? This is no different from MLK and his crowd marching for their cause, fighting oppression with nothing but their character. Now that stonewall urgency has died off, I wonder if today's Pride events are little more than block parties ...

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19 Aug 2008, 2:46 am

My favorite teacher showed this clip in speech class before. It's from a tv show, but it gets the point across to people who try to use their religion to spread hate:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs&feature=related[/youtube]

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19 Aug 2008, 2:54 am

That's a very good monologue by Martin Sheen. Whoever wrote that is pretty slick.

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19 Aug 2008, 11:38 am

slowmutant wrote:

No growth is possible without change. :idea:

I am a bisexual-and refuse to try and change (which I can't I was born this way)
and as long as these people try to change me I refuse to accept what they say

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19 Aug 2008, 12:06 pm

Kilroy wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

No growth is possible without change. :idea:

I am a bisexual-and refuse to try and change (which I can't I was born this way)
and as long as these people try to change me I refuse to accept what they say

That's the crux of the whole argument. We know we were born this way, but these religious bigots refuse to accept this; they think it was a choice we made, so they blame us. There is no point in trying to change their minds, they don't want to be confused by the facts. It's not just homosexuality, it's creationism, birth control, etc. It is not possible to argue with people who believe the Bible is the literal word of God.

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19 Aug 2008, 12:08 pm

yeah...your right, I hold no real respect for those people
I don't care what "God" says
I have a religion (somewhat) that accepts me, you know
and doesn't demand I change or apologize for everything I do

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19 Aug 2008, 12:28 pm

ed wrote:

Kilroy wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

No growth is possible without change. :idea:

I am a bisexual-and refuse to try and change (which I can't I was born this way)
and as long as these people try to change me I refuse to accept what they say

There are some however, that don't believe to be a choice, and actually accept some are born that way, nevertheless, they still think of it as sinful and that that they have to change, it would practically the same in a way, although at least, accepting that some are born this way, it's something, but not sure how many share this though.

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