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30 Aug 2008, 9:12 am

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Evolution and creationism go hand in hand I think.


Evolution is the How, and Creationism is the Why. :D


Riiiiight.



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30 Aug 2008, 9:16 am

slowmutant wrote:
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Evolution and creationism go hand in hand I think.


Evolution is the How, and Creationism is the Why. :D


You see, God is so confoundedly clever that He invented evolution which needs no Godly supervision to produce exactly the result He requires. It entails billions of years and various stages like dinosaurs and trilobites and such nonsense but in the end he has created a race of self destructive primates that is the ultimate in life and there can be no improvement. This is real neat as God himself need never make a further appearance after the big bang and so His absolute cleverness fools atheists completely except for those pesty Christians who penetrated his devious psychology and know He is really there because...
because... because...some rumored rabbi two thousand years ago said his daddy was God and who could question a rabbi?



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30 Aug 2008, 9:20 am

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How exactly would those two go hand in hand - not without ignoring several key arguments from both!
They are two opposing views.


Not necessarily. Not if you view God as the architect of evolution in addition to everything else.



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30 Aug 2008, 9:29 am

Sand wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
PunkyKat wrote:
Evolution and creationism go hand in hand I think.


Evolution is the How, and Creationism is the Why. :D


You see, God is so confoundedly clever that He invented evolution which needs no Godly supervision to produce exactly the result He requires. It entails billions of years and various stages like dinosaurs and trilobites and such nonsense but in the end he has created a race of self destructive primates that is the ultimate in life and there can be no improvement. This is real neat as God himself need never make a further appearance after the big bang and so His absolute cleverness fools atheists completely except for those pesty Christians who penetrated his devious psychology and know He is really there because...
because... because...some rumored rabbi two thousand years ago said his daddy was God and who could question a rabbi?


Such a view is inconsistent. That's why YEC makes more sense with respect to the Bible IMHO.



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30 Aug 2008, 9:46 am

Evolution explains the How, but it can't explain the Why. Everything has to have come from somewhere ...



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30 Aug 2008, 9:50 am

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Evolution explains the How, but it can't explain the Why. Everything has to have come from somewhere ...


And that just throws the Bible into the trash heap, if true.



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30 Aug 2008, 9:58 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Evolution explains the How, but it can't explain the Why. Everything has to have come from somewhere ...


And that just throws the Bible into the trash heap, if true.


No, actually it doesn't throw anything into the trash heap.



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30 Aug 2008, 10:07 am

I'm not trying to be nasty but YEC is the sound I make when I smell something bad. I'm sure that is not what you meant so I would appreciate knowing what you meant.



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30 Aug 2008, 10:11 am

YEC, OEC, it's all the same to me. It's not an important part of the faith.



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30 Aug 2008, 10:14 am

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I'm not trying to be nasty but YEC is the sound I make when I smell something bad. I'm sure that is not what you meant so I would appreciate knowing what you meant.


Young earth. Id est, if Genesis and the chrono-genealogies are taken to be history rather than some obscure form of poetry which nobody was able to figure out until the 1800's.



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30 Aug 2008, 10:16 am

OK I looked up YEC on Google and it does evoke that sound except it's spelled yech.



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30 Aug 2008, 10:20 am

YEC and OEC are not very practical areas of doctrine. Jesus Christ is far far far more important than the age of the planet as a focal point for living one's life.



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30 Aug 2008, 10:24 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Evolution explains the How, but it can't explain the Why. Everything has to have come from somewhere ...


And that just throws the Bible into the trash heap, if true.

Cool! :wink:


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30 Aug 2008, 10:26 am

To be considerate about this whole business it seems that part of the Bible is acceptable to some people and other parts acceptable to others. Since there are all sorts of poetic, literate, and illiterate sections to the book it seems one can pick and choose all sorts of stuff to claim Biblical confirmation and come up with many different concepts as to what to believe and what to discard. That way, it seems, Christians and Jews can justify almost anything. So where does that leave you?



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30 Aug 2008, 10:29 am

In the same place it leaves atheists, I guess.



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30 Aug 2008, 10:33 am

It doesn't seem so. Christians and Jews seem quite fond of the Bible.