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29 Aug 2008, 9:24 pm

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So christianity is based on the suppositions that:God Exists,Satan Exists, & the existence of God is blatantly obvious as claimed by the bible and that these suppositions are true. DITTO for satanism, the difference between the two being that satanists embrace the law of sin and christians embrace the law of God. Atheism however, does NOT accept these suppositions are true.

Ok, and the atheist does not consider himself a satanist, does this mean that a Christian cannot consider the atheist a satanist? Not only that, but do the Christians accept that Satanism is necessarily the doctrine that follows the suppositions you put forward for Satanism? I mean, part of the issue will be different definitions on what a Satanist really is, as if one says "A satanist is a follower of satan, like a Christian is a follower of God" then atheists can very well be satanists.

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According to atheism, the supposition that there is only the low of god or the law of sin is FALSE. Yet satanism supposes it to be true! If you try to equate atheism and satanism than you get a CONTRADICTION: *there is only the law of god and the low of sin And there is neither*. That means that atheism and satanism are Not consistent, EVEN In the framework of the christian worldview!

Not necessarily, the issue is that you have defined satanism differently than your opponents would, who would take "satanism" to be a broader concept than you are supposing. This means it still can work. The issue is not forcing your suppositions upon how others are defining terms, but rather trying to understand clearly the opposition's framework and address it. When dealing with weird groups, you often have to try harder than you would traditionally as they will function with a more explicitly different framework.

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29 Aug 2008, 9:33 pm

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BTW iamnotaparakeet & Awesomelyglorious, ANSWER the question: Does worshipping Cthulhu make me a Satanist???

Yes, because Cthulhu is just an atheist's Satan. Lovecraft didn't want Christian mythology as the backdrop for his horror stories, so he invented his own secular devil.

You take the Cthulhu Mythos way too seriously

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29 Aug 2008, 9:37 pm

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You take the Cthulhu Mythos way too seriously

I think that most don't take it seriously enough, I mean, if I had to pick a religion, I would pick the Cthulhu mythos. I mean, it is better than Scientology.

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29 Aug 2008, 9:38 pm

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I mean, it is better than Scientology.

so are a lot of mythos. scientology is a crappy story written by a crappy pedophile author.

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29 Aug 2008, 9:43 pm

skafather84 wrote:

so are a lot of mythos. scientology is a crappy story written by a crappy pedophile author.

Hmm... I knew he was a greedy liar, but a pedophile? I hadn't heard that part. Maybe pedophilia is necessary to reach OT 9 or some crap.

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29 Aug 2008, 9:44 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

so are a lot of mythos. scientology is a crappy story written by a crappy pedophile author.

Hmm... I knew he was a greedy liar, but a pedophile? I hadn't heard that part. Maybe pedophilia is necessary to reach OT 9 or some crap.

it's why he was living in international waters toward the end of his life. think the washington page scandal but put it on a boat in the carribean instead.

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29 Aug 2008, 9:49 pm

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Sorry about the confusion there... One of my pet peeves is when men try to turn Heaven into a "club"... while I'm pretty sure that it's not...

Yes, Jesus is the one whom you must go through. But as all humanity is made in God's image, I believe that everyone will be saved. If God is able to forgive David for his adultery with Bathsheba, or Peter for explicitly denying Jesus 3 times, I think God has a place for everyone...

It's not so much the person that is evil, but the acts that they commit that can be.

Heaven is a club for those whom God has shown mercy on. Not by works or good deeds do we enter Heaven, because no one is worthy. Jesus, however, vouches for us. He is the Way.

But for the grace of God goeth I ...

Hell is a club as well.

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29 Aug 2008, 11:03 pm

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Hell is a club as well.

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

But seriously, you're probably deluding yourself

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30 Aug 2008, 1:06 am

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ORLY..........so what exactly is the definition of Satanism? If things have arbitrary definitions based on different frame of referrence than as far as logic and consistency is concerned they're effectively meaningless and arbitrary!
This almost comes across to me as a being in the same vein as postmodernism, which claims incorrectly that truth, facts, and definitions are relative. What prompts you to be an apologist for christian fundamentalists and their blatantly irrational(nottomention inconsistent)beliefs might I ask? Satanism is clearly the reverrence for and/or active worship of Satan. This cannot apply to atheists as Satan and God are mythical beings that are excluded from the atheist worldview. End of Story. :wink:

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30 Aug 2008, 2:01 am

skafather84 wrote:

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

I mean, it is better than Scientology.

so are a lot of mythos. scientology is a crappy story written by a crappy pedophile author.

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BTW iamnotaparakeet & Awesomelyglorious, ANSWER the question: Does worshipping Cthulhu make me a Satanist???

So is cthulu, but whos counting?

Yes, worshipping cthulu makes you a satanist, DUH. Creating a new slop paradigm with the same redressed archetype doesn't change the root archetype.

I can reinvent satan easy. Hes a blond shark dude named Vlanta Reigh.

Hes an imp Named obblo goblodddo.

See how easy it is?

If the defining characteristics are "God of evil" then you have satan derivative, unless you really study to hop out of the box to some other culture.

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30 Aug 2008, 2:04 am

Does worshipping The Flying Spaghetti monster make me a Satanist or a Pastafarian, or both?

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30 Aug 2008, 2:45 am

different archetype. churches of the ridiculous have nothing to do with satanism. In fact it might be argued the spageti monster faithfully maintains the yahweh archetype.

I'm not sure that would be MY argument, but, somebody could argue it, if they wanted to.

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30 Aug 2008, 3:22 am

Haliphron wrote:

BTW iamnotaparakeet & Awesomelyglorious, ANSWER the question: Does worshipping Cthulhu make me a Satanist???

Would you prefer I call you Stultus?

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30 Aug 2008, 3:30 am

When I was a bit younger and had more active glands I worshipped Marilyn Monroe and Groucho Marx (in different manners, of course). Does that make me a Satanist?

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30 Aug 2008, 3:39 am

Sand wrote:

When I was a bit younger and had more active glands I worshipped Marilyn Monro and Groucho Marx (in different manners, of course). Does that make me a Satanist?

And I like Laura Dern, Catherine Bell, Sandra Bullock, Julia Roberts, et al.

BTW, "worshiped" is the correct spelling.

No.

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30 Aug 2008, 3:44 am

I also misspelled Monroe until I corrected it. At least God and Satan are more easily spelled. I am also very fond of vanilla ice cream with chocolate sauce but I am asking for forgiveness. Thanks for the spelling correction.

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