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Water vapour and pollutants typical of internal combustion engines. Everything presented here has been entirely consistent with that, in varying atmospheric conditions.
ordinary engines?
nothing - they're just waste products.





It's coming full circle, but maybe in another way: the West went through a millennium of fundamentalist barbarism (from the end of pagan Rome to the Renaissance & Enlightenment), virtually constant religious wars, and epidemics and natural disasters that the priests proved unable to remedy - people kind of thought after that that there might be more rational ways of organising society. Now, even though nobody has ever benefited as much, or been as dependant of, science and technology as the current generation of Westerners, the West is becoming increasingly anti-science and anti-rationalist, a rot that is worse in Europe but is taking hold of the US as well. It used to be that opposition to science came from the hardline religious right; now, in addition to them, the left has also turned anti-science.
There is a very simple way of judging how scientific or anti-scientific a society really is: how much money it invests in science relative to its economic capacity. By this measure, France, Germany and Israel are profoundly anti-scientific, the US remains more pro-science but has rapidly turned away from science in the past few years, and the most pro-science major country around is China.

So know you're trying to invalidate intellectuals and because they dont have "street smarts"?
Tell me though: Just exactly HOW does the HAARP affect weather? In particular, how does RF radiation cause large-scale changes in atmospheric pressure?

No, I'm making an example of your idiocy, I gave you a link where the guy is admitting this s**t and all you can do is intellectual acrobatics to ignore it. I don't know the exact science behind the HAARP, I'm not a weapons scientist. But I don't need to be. He's admitting this.
Plato wrote a book called Republic where he explained how they'd set up "The Great Work" (matrix), he described civilization like a bee colony. We bottom feeders in the system are "worker bees", politicians/celebrities etc are drones, and the ruling elite are royalty. Read books from Albert Pike (Morals and Dogma), Francis Bacon, Lord Bertrand Russel, Zgniew Brzenzski (who is now Obama's advisor, read Between Two Ages), Charles Darwin, all "elites" mostly all freemasons, they too quote Plato, and make constant refference to the bee order. How's that for intellect? Yeah, I have book smarts, but book smarts are worthless if you don't have life smarts.

You want proof nations don't exist? The arms industry is international, and they sell weapons to all parties in military conflicts. That alone tells you someone is working higher than national levels, and war in itself is a business. Which means soldiers are pawns, and Henry Kissinger has even admitted this..... Being able to have large capacity and hide behind a large vocabulary and elaborate sentence structures doesn't make you "intellectual", it means you have book smarts.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the world is ran like a business. And that power corrupts, any idiot knows this. The dishonest man gets ahead in the business world.

Look into the folklore of sleep paralysis.

In medieval Europe in general, there were incubi and succubi, which are demons that mess with people's privates and produce hybrid offspring. (Sound familiar?)

In Germany in particular, sleep paralysis was associated with Elves, hence 'Alptraum' ('Elf-dream') for 'nightmare' and 'Alpdruck' ('Elf-pressure') for the pressure felt on the chest during sleep paralysis. There was also something called the 'night hag', an ugly witch who would sit on your chest and carve up your face with a knife ... if you slept on your back. There's a little wisdom in that old myth, since sleeping on your back greatly increases the odds that you will fall prey to sleep paralysis. (Best to sleep on your side, second best to sleep on your stomach.)

I'd like to know about other sleep paralysis myths.



Ya, with postmodernism.

But I always considered Europe more scientific than the US because they don't suffer from the plague of cre(a)ti(o)nism anywhere near as much as we do, plus the EU is currently the #1 producer of scientific literature in the world. Can you go into more detail?





LOL

Where did you get these statistics; I'd like to see the whole thing

How do you explain that? Who was that? It seemed he was testifying before Congress, but Congressional hearings present a wide range of opinions. Perhaps we can agree that the video snippet proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that some people are making allegations that there is a NWO.

Semantics

In the US, the main anti-science force is creationism/ID; in Europe it is a visceral hostility among the public; science is somehow oppressive, responsible for Frankenstein food (the farmers and consumers are held entirely blameless), it is somehow more 'evil' than abattoirs even though the number of animals involved in research is orders of magnitude smaller than that of those that end up in supermarkets shelves (there have been cases of animal rights activists protesting outside a Plant Sciences building, but never outside a supermarket); science is seen as something that drains your very life force. My theory is that a decaying Europe sees science as essentially innovative and modern, and something in which the US has been more successful in recent decades, and hence nostalgia for a more glorious past feeds hostility towards it. Also, there is a kind of disdain for hands-on work (qualified and unqualified) that extends to scientific experiments.
The EU has a total population and an economy larger than those of the US, yet only CERN is better funded than its US counterpart (Fermilab), and that is a fairly recent development. California alone spends (or at least used to a couple of years ago) something like 3 times as much on stem cell research as Britain.






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Where did you get these statistics; I'd like to see the whole thing[/quote]

Mainstream Western scientific journals such as Nature have examined the issue and it appears Chinese labs in the Shanghai Corridor are as well-funded as the richest ones in the US (and therefore far ahead of Europe; China's economy is much smaller than that of the US in total terms, even more so per capita), and I have also heard it from Chinese science students in the West (from both critics of the Chinese government and Communist Party members). The Chinese commitment to science is perhaps unsurprising for a country governed by engineers rather than lawyers and financial speculators. That Israeli science is so badly underfunded that they're suffering from a massive brain drain (mainly to the US) has also been in the news in these journals. That funding is worse in Germany and, especially, in France, than in the US or Britain (and that it's worse in Britain than in the US - for this I can also vouch from personal experience) isn't even news any more in scientific circles and has not been so for a long time (though Nature did cover protests by French scientists against unfulfilled promises by politicians; there is some brain drain from continental Western Europe to Britain), and I've heard it anecdotally from various people that have worked in France or Germany and Britain or Switzerland (both students and professors). The low funding for science here compared to the US (and the resulting brain drain) has also been occasionally covered by the press here.
In the US, federal science spending on non-military research has been rising below inflation for years (for example, the NIH budget) - i.e. budgets have been consistently cut in real terms.
Anecdotally at least, it seems science funding in Russia is at Third World levels, even in wealthy Moscow.

Some very powerful, wealthy people. Here is Henry Kissinger talking about it OPENLY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bKwH3kJew4

Sorry, Kissinger did not use the term to refer to a shawowy society of uber-rich blood drinking overlords, and that was not a confession that your theories are correct. A new world order can mean that things change. Compared to the 1950s and British colonialism, there is a new world order. Compared to the fiefdoms of medieval Europe, there is a new world order.

To be fair, I understand that some GE crop developers monopolize the market. (I understand this happened in Punjab area ... not successful at all.)



LOL

Field animals die during normal crop farming all the time



Yeah, come to think of it, I noticed that before. In several Western European countries, there seems to be a widespread public sentiment that physical sciences, mathematics, etc. don't count as real skills. This always confused me. Napoleon Bonaparte said: "The advancement and perfection of mathematics are intimately connected with the prosperity of the state." What happened since then?



Really? Cool.



That's surprising.

I am Not a platonist, I am a Hobbsist(and a Socratic) mind you . Anyway, what is the origin of this video? While it has the appearance of congressional hearing, if it was, are there any referrences that such a hearing took place? I also had a look at the *video info* section posted by the user responsible for putting this vid on youtube and I kid you not, here is a snippet:



Im sorry, but Tsunami's are triggered by earthquakes and do you have ANY idea how much force is required to produce an earthquake as strong as the one that happened on 12-26-04??? We would be talking about THOUSANDS of MEGATONS of force!!
To suggest that the HAARP transmitter outputs that much energy...WHERE would this energy come from?

How does spraying s**t in the air cause seismic activity?

That's not right.

Hell, that's not even wrong.

And as long as we're bringing up with schools of Greek philosophy we would adhere to most closely, I'm an Ionian naturalist, for the record.

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Ummm.... No. Tesla died of heart failure, alone in his apartment.





Earthquakes in China hit a broad region. The schools were particularly devastated as they were multistory buildings filled with children, and the contractors that built the schools were corrupt and cut corners. And the children were ordered to stay in the classrooms - the ones that lived were the ones that bolted.

Katrina cannot be traced to harp and contrails. Hurricanes happen. Deal with it.

For those who believe that the HAARP can cause seismic waves, take a look at this: http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html

You want evidence, you got it.. so what's the big deal?... you people all you do is b***h b***h b***h b***h that there's not enough evidence, not enough proof, and that is direct evidence/proof that there is a weather control agenda, not only weather control but starvation control..

again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGM9POWc-C4