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10 Sep 2022, 7:41 am

Just don't take iodine before it really blows up. It's harmful by itself, yet pervents bigger harm when taken after radioactive poisoning.

It doesn't necessarily blow up, current active military operations are away from it.


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10 Sep 2022, 7:43 am

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I find it interesting how Russia invaded Ukraine for made up reasons the same way the US did Vietnam and Iraq.

Like Russia's absurd claim that the Ukrainians were "Nazis" compared to America's claim that Iraq had "Weapons of Mass Destruction"

We invaded and destroyed those countries over lies...

And I guess in a way it shows how the Americans really arent that much better than the Russians.

We're both basically oligarchies after all.


the US didnt put a continent at risk from a nuclear powr station . 10x more radiation than chenobill if theres a meltdown .



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10 Sep 2022, 7:50 am

itscomplicated wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
I find it interesting how Russia invaded Ukraine for made up reasons the same way the US did Vietnam and Iraq.

Like Russia's absurd claim that the Ukrainians were "Nazis" compared to America's claim that Iraq had "Weapons of Mass Destruction"

We invaded and destroyed those countries over lies...

And I guess in a way it shows how the Americans really arent that much better than the Russians.

We're both basically oligarchies after all.


the US didnt put a continent at risk from a nuclear powr station . 10x more radiation than chenobill if theres a meltdown .


No but we did drop an atomic bomb not once but twice on Japan during World War 2. Allowing nuclear weapons to exist and end up in the hands of unstable dictatorships like Russia and North Korea will always be America's real sin in my opinion. Even more so than the racism thing. We took the first step down the road to armageddon.



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10 Sep 2022, 7:58 am

DeathFlowerKing wrote:
itscomplicated wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
I find it interesting how Russia invaded Ukraine for made up reasons the same way the US did Vietnam and Iraq.

Like Russia's absurd claim that the Ukrainians were "Nazis" compared to America's claim that Iraq had "Weapons of Mass Destruction"

We invaded and destroyed those countries over lies...

And I guess in a way it shows how the Americans really arent that much better than the Russians.

We're both basically oligarchies after all.


the US didnt put a continent at risk from a nuclear powr station . 10x more radiation than chenobill if theres a meltdown .


No but we did drop an atomic bomb not once but twice on Japan during World War 2. Allowing nuclear weapons to exist and end up in the hands of unstable dictatorships like Russia and North Korea will always be America's real sin in my opinion. Even more so than the racism thing. We took the first step down the road to armageddon.

Comparing Russia to the US in this regard is like asking would you rather be bitten by a rattlesnake or a cobra.


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10 Sep 2022, 7:59 am

DeathFlowerKing wrote:
itscomplicated wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
I find it interesting how Russia invaded Ukraine for made up reasons the same way the US did Vietnam and Iraq.

Like Russia's absurd claim that the Ukrainians were "Nazis" compared to America's claim that Iraq had "Weapons of Mass Destruction"

We invaded and destroyed those countries over lies...

And I guess in a way it shows how the Americans really arent that much better than the Russians.

We're both basically oligarchies after all.


the US didnt put a continent at risk from a nuclear powr station . 10x more radiation than chenobill if theres a meltdown .


No but we did drop an atomic bomb not once but twice on Japan during World War 2. Allowing nuclear weapons to exist and end up in the hands of unstable dictatorships like Russia and North Korea will always be America's real sin in my opinion. Even more so than the racism thing. We took the first step down the road to armageddon.


This is a tricky subject. Who decides what states should have nuclear weapons? More often than not the ones who carry enough clout to decide who has nuclear weapons have nuclear weapons themselves so any judgment made by those states (I'm looking at you USA) will be hypocritical to decide another state shouldn't posses them.

Russia so far have been pretty OK with nuclear weapons considering the number they have. North Korea for example only have a tiny fraction of what Russia possess yet has always acted worse.



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10 Sep 2022, 8:03 am

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No but we did drop an atomic bomb not once but twice on Japan during World War 2. Allowing nuclear weapons to exist and end up in the hands of unstable dictatorships like Russia and North Korea will always be America's real sin in my opinion. Even more so than the racism thing. We took the first step down the road to armageddon.
America can't be kept responsible for the fact that other countries also have scientists capable of developing nuclear weapons. It's not that hard with generally available knowledge, a source of uranium and some moderately advanced technology.


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10 Sep 2022, 8:07 am

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No but we did drop an atomic bomb not once but twice on Japan during World War 2. Allowing nuclear weapons to exist and end up in the hands of unstable dictatorships like Russia and North Korea will always be America's real sin in my opinion. Even more so than the racism thing. We took the first step down the road to armageddon.
America can't be kept responsible for the fact that other countries also have scientists capable of developing nuclear weapons. It's not that hard with generally available knowledge, a source of uranium and some moderately advanced technology.


No but we can be held responsible for being the first to use them and bullying weaker nations that have no nukes (and yet we have not won an actual war since World War 2 lol)

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10 Sep 2022, 8:10 am

^Nazi Germany was also working on developing nukes. Would you prefer them to be first?


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10 Sep 2022, 8:14 am

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^Nazi Germany was also working on developing nukes. Would you prefer them to be first?


Nope, but i don't use that to deflect from the fact that Americans were the first to use them.



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10 Sep 2022, 8:16 am

Sure but that does not make them in any way responsible for other countries developing nukes later.


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10 Sep 2022, 8:16 am

If everyone has portable weapons of mass destruction, the country will inevitably become anarchic.
If every country possesses nuclear weapons, the same applies to the world order.

Neoliberalism is certainly not the best, but anarchism may be even worse.


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10 Sep 2022, 8:28 am

Reports of Izyum being left by Russian military... I remember when they were conquering it, slowly, kilometer by kilometer, using more and more cannonfodder... yet abandon it so lightly.

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10 Sep 2022, 8:34 am

itscomplicated wrote:
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I can't help but feel like we're headed for WW3...


me to . remember this? why did biden do this . whats happening next

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawa ... %80%932021)

He did it because he had to and had the balls for it. Not like that dickless wonder who preceded him.


obama didnt do anything either

Obama had no background in foreign policy, he began his career as a community organizer. It seems he allowed career people from the Bush administration to stay on, as a way to prevent foreign policy crises from derailing his domestic agenda. He may have had a legitimate fear of a coup in case he overly antagonized the military/intelligence establishment. Biden OTOH is a long term insider and has less to lose anyway, being old.


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10 Sep 2022, 8:36 am

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Sure but that does not make them in any way responsible for other countries developing nukes later.


I'm just saying that Americans are the ones who opened that pandora's box.



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10 Sep 2022, 8:36 am

DeathFlowerKing wrote:
itscomplicated wrote:
DeathFlowerKing wrote:
I find it interesting how Russia invaded Ukraine for made up reasons the same way the US did Vietnam and Iraq.

Like Russia's absurd claim that the Ukrainians were "Nazis" compared to America's claim that Iraq had "Weapons of Mass Destruction"

We invaded and destroyed those countries over lies...

And I guess in a way it shows how the Americans really arent that much better than the Russians.

We're both basically oligarchies after all.


the US didnt put a continent at risk from a nuclear powr station . 10x more radiation than chenobill if theres a meltdown .


No but we did drop an atomic bomb not once but twice on Japan during World War 2.


fair point



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10 Sep 2022, 8:39 am

DeathFlowerKing wrote:
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Sure but that does not make them in any way responsible for other countries developing nukes later.
I'm just saying that Americans are the ones who opened that pandora's box.
Racing on it with the nazis.

If Americans did not do it, someone else would have opened this box. You're not that special.


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