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10 Sep 2022, 8:45 am

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Sure but that does not make them in any way responsible for other countries developing nukes later.
I'm just saying that Americans are the ones who opened that pandora's box.
Racing on it with the nazis.

If Americans did not do it, someone else would have opened this box. You're not that special.


I never said we are that special. Just because I'm an American doesnt mean I'm ethnocentric.



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10 Sep 2022, 8:47 am

Sorry.
I just mean, there are boundaries for everyone's responsibility.
One is responsible for their own decisions - but not for everything that others did with it later.

USA was first to develop nukes and the only one to use them in battle. In the context of WWII, speeding up its end.

North Korea developing nukes now is practically a whole independent problem.


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10 Sep 2022, 8:50 am

i guess them being the first to do it gave them a big upper hand and status

i dont think it makes them responsible for othe countries developing nukes



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10 Sep 2022, 8:52 am

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Sorry.
I just mean, there are boundaries for everyone's responsibility.
One is responsible for their own decisions - but not for everything that others did with it later.

USA was first to develop nukes and the only one to use them in battle. In the context of WWII, speeding up its end.

North Korea developing nukes now is practically a whole independent problem.

There's such a thing as being morally responsible for doing something when there is no other choice. Like maybe the US had no choice other than to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but those acts were still atrocities. Likewise Walter White may have had no choice but to become a meth lord but he's still a murderer.


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10 Sep 2022, 8:54 am

magz wrote:
Sorry.
I just mean, there are boundaries for everyone's responsibility.
One is responsible for their own decisions - but not for everything that others did with it later.

USA was first to develop nukes and the only one to use them in battle. In the context of WWII, speeding up its end.

North Korea developing nukes now is practically a whole independent problem.


It's ok, and you are right that most countries have taken responsibility with their nukes very well. I just wish they didn't exist at all...



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10 Sep 2022, 8:56 am

^^ I don't say USA wasn't morally responsible for Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, Dresden and several other attrocities, even if the alternative would have been thousand times worse.
I say the're not responsible for USSR and North Korea having developed nukes.


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10 Sep 2022, 9:02 am

WTH? They say, Ukrainian army is advancing towards Lysychansk!
Damn, it's great!
We'll need lots of module homes for all the citizens to survive the winter.


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10 Sep 2022, 9:03 am

I really am impressed with Ukraine! They seem to be beating the odds against them 8)



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10 Sep 2022, 9:12 am

They did their homework in the last 8 years and they act smartly and well-coordinated, precisely exploiting the enemy's weak spots.

Probably they announced a big counter-offensive in Kherson to draw Russian forces there and then attack the weakened places. Russia is still using the old, dumb Soviet tactical system and Ukraine knows their enemy extremely well.


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10 Sep 2022, 9:26 am

Izyum claimed by Ukrainians, Moscow admits withdrawing troops...
Sorry, guys, I'm just excited! I know it's not end of the war but it's the long-awaited breakthrough.
How much will they regain before the autumn rains?
Send MLRS ;)


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10 Sep 2022, 9:28 am

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Izyum claimed by Ukrainians, Moscow admits withdrawing troops...
Sorry, guys, I'm just excited! I know it's not end of the war but it's the long-awaited breakthrough.
How much will they regain before the autumn rains?
Send Himars ;)


Would you believe me if I said I did a tarot reading months ago when Russia first invaded Ukraine and the cards revealed pretty positive things in Ukraine's favor? :mrgreen:



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10 Sep 2022, 9:28 am

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10 Sep 2022, 9:38 am

"No funds to feed all these POWs" :lmao:


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10 Sep 2022, 9:47 am

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^^ I don't say USA wasn't morally responsible for Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, Dresden and several other attrocities, even if the alternative would have been thousand times worse.
I say the're not responsible for USSR and North Korea having developed nukes.

They shared Dresden with Britain. But you have to understand that the US is capable of some degree of sympathy for Germany, whereas the British not so much. When Germany re-unified in 1990, most Americans were quite positive about it. The British not so much.


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10 Sep 2022, 9:48 am

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^^ I don't say USA wasn't morally responsible for Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, Dresden and several other attrocities, even if the alternative would have been thousand times worse.
I say the're not responsible for USSR and North Korea having developed nukes.

They shared Dresden with Britain. But you have to understand that the US is capable of some degree of sympathy for Germany, whereas the British not so much. When Germany re-unified in 1990, most Americans were quite positive about it. The British not so much.
Germans bombed London, not Washington nor New York.
I think it makes a difference, especially for those who personally survived it.

Not to mention what happened here...


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10 Sep 2022, 9:50 am

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some chinese reactions to izium pocket (etc.)

This is what comes of a lifetime spent on Playstation and XBox. Real war is no game.


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