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28 Jan 2019, 1:39 pm

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Fighting words to a physicist.

Good. I like to fight. But not all physics students are as delusional as you. Any anthropologist could tell you that male and female gender roles have been interpreted differently by different cultures. Did you study anything other than physics?



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28 Jan 2019, 1:43 pm

AspE wrote:
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Fighting words to a physicist.

Good. I like to fight. But not all physics students are as delusional as you. Any anthropologist could tell you that male and female gender roles have been interpreted differently by different cultures. Did you study anything other than physics?


Nah, just particle physics. My thesis is on quantum interactions related to fermions.

I didn't study bio or anthropology in uni, but to be perfectly frank, many of these assumptions I drew are really just historical patterns or common sense.



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28 Jan 2019, 2:08 pm

Mainframe wrote:
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Fighting words to a physicist.

Good. I like to fight. But not all physics students are as delusional as you. Any anthropologist could tell you that male and female gender roles have been interpreted differently by different cultures. Did you study anything other than physics?


Nah, just particle physics. My thesis is on quantum interactions related to fermions.

I didn't study bio or anthropology in uni, but to be perfectly frank, many of these assumptions I drew are really just historical patterns or common sense.

Then you should realize that common sense is a poor indicator of how things actually work. And historical patterns tend to focus on western European culture alone.



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28 Jan 2019, 2:32 pm

This is all so very ridiculous! There are two genders within humans, male and female. Use whatever biology you want.

It's so stupid, really! What label are we supposed to give humans that have the equipment to give birth, and what label to we give the humans that offer sperm so birth can occur. Science gone stupid is all it amounts too.



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28 Jan 2019, 3:07 pm

You are confusing biological sex (even that is not binary) with gender, which involves more than reproductive organs. That simplistic view is obsolete, just like conservative views on other areas of science like anthropogenic global warming.



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28 Jan 2019, 3:12 pm

Whatever you desire to call it. When I see a woman that I think is attractive, I'm nor going to say to myself, wow, look at that cute 'thing'.



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28 Jan 2019, 3:13 pm

Most people are "binary" people.

If somebody wants to identify as "X" or whatever, no skin off my back.

I, by default, call a person who looks like a woman "she," and a person who looks like a man "he." I've only been wrong a couple of times.

I would resent it if somebody expresses resentment to me about my lack of knowledge of their gender identity, without them informing me about it. That wouldn't be fair. That's actually happened to me. This transsexual looked male, so I said "thank you, sir." She didn't like that.

If somebody wants me to call them "ze" or whatever, I'll comply. But just tell me. Don't expect me to know, instinctually, that you want to be called "ze." This has never happened to me, though.



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28 Jan 2019, 3:34 pm

I guess this logic should through out women's rights and gay rights, sense females and males don't actually exist. Funny that you could date a woman that identifies as a male but still likes men and doesn't have a penis. Like I said, science gone stupid.



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28 Jan 2019, 3:39 pm

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Most people are "binary" people.

If somebody wants to identify as "X" or whatever, no skin off my back.

I, by default, call a person who looks like a woman "she," and a person who looks like a man "he." I've only been wrong a couple of times.

I would resent it if somebody expresses resentment to me about my lack of knowledge of their gender identity, without them informing me about it. That wouldn't be fair. That's actually happened to me. This transsexual looked male, so I said "thank you, sir." She didn't like that.

If somebody wants me to call them "ze" or whatever, I'll comply. But just tell me. Don't expect me to know, instinctually, that you want to be called "ze." This has never happened to me, though.


Yes, but it makes a very simple thing complicated. Sex and gender being different. It's weird. Like say, a cop gets a call about a man robbing a store, then he has to ask, am I looking for a male or a female? Does this man identify as a female?.
Does the confusion try to rename men and woman? Or are they suggesting that men can be female or male and women can be male or female. It's completely ridiculous!



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28 Jan 2019, 3:45 pm

Lol. This 'man' looks like and identifies as a female, but likes women. So it's the first recorded straight man, female lesbian. So stupid.

Or how about this, does science dictate what gender you are, or you just get to choose and science doesn't recognize gender. This second im a female, the next im a male. This is all very laughable to me.



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28 Jan 2019, 3:47 pm

I'm waiting to see what will happen with things like:

Preferential treatment for women as minorities when it comes to things like government small business loan programs. I assume such loans will be made available to biological males who gender identify as female. If not, why not?

What will happen with high school, college and Olympic sports a decade from now or more? The situation is in a state of change right now. Biological males gender identifying as females are participating on female sports teams and breaking female sports records.

Will incarcerated biological males who gender identify as women be allowed to choose to do jail time in women's prisons to serve their time? If this is already happening on a small scale, will the opportunity to choose be universally offered to such people?

Will biological young people who gender identify as the gender opposite their biological sex be allowed to seek joining fraternities or sororities as they choose?

Will biological males who gender identify as female be allowed to use the locker rooms/showers at places like the YWCA if they choose to remain as biological males psychologically?

Just a few things I'm curious about as to how they will change in the future.



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28 Jan 2019, 3:58 pm

Magna wrote:
I'm waiting to see what will happen with things like:

Preferential treatment for women as minorities when it comes to things like government small business loan programs. I assume such loans will be made available to biological males who gender identify as female. If not, why not?

What will happen with high school, college and Olympic sports a decade from now or more? The situation is in a state of change right now. Biological males gender identifying as females are participating on female sports teams and breaking female sports records.

Just a few things I'm curious about as to how they will change in the future.

Lol! Yes. I should go try out for a women's sports competition, ill just say I'm a female and kick some ass and earn cash and break records.



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28 Jan 2019, 4:01 pm

Crimadella wrote:
Magna wrote:
I'm waiting to see what will happen with things like:

Preferential treatment for women as minorities when it comes to things like government small business loan programs. I assume such loans will be made available to biological males who gender identify as female. If not, why not?

What will happen with high school, college and Olympic sports a decade from now or more? The situation is in a state of change right now. Biological males gender identifying as females are participating on female sports teams and breaking female sports records.

Just a few things I'm curious about as to how they will change in the future.

Lol! Yes. I should go try out for a women's sports competition, ill just say I'm a female and kick some ass and earn cash and break records.


I'll be watching from the sidelines. I'm genuinely interested in how these kinds of challenges with shifting societal views end up playing out. I don't really have an opinion either way.



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28 Jan 2019, 4:41 pm

The way I see it is if science cannot determine gender and it's up to a individual to pick or constantly swap as they choose, that is not science. Science gives answers. And if science can't answer the question it had no buisnes separating gender and sex.

It just like the words 'truth' and 'fact', it adds complication to something that is supposed to be simple. Most average people don't understand the difference between these words so they are commonly used incorrectly. They have the slightest distinction. A fact never changes and can be confirmed while a truth can be believed.



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28 Jan 2019, 5:27 pm

Here is a good one. If gender is such a complicated thing and female and male can't be defined, what do we call opposite sex monkeys. They can't tell you what they 'identify ' as, so we assume they have no gender? Or do we follow each monkey around to see what gender they may be? Ya know, since sex doesn't dictate gender. I would love to hear your opinion on this on AspE. Since apparently opinion is all science can offer to the question, what gender?

Mystery solved for anyone who may check back here. The whole 'gender' science isn't real science, it's politically driven and science has no way to determine gender without being able to ask any given species which gender it prefers to be identified as, it has to be that way to bow to 'people' who claim to 'feel' like they are the opposite gender of their 'biological sex'. It's not accepted in every country either, of course that is because all scientists will not bow to 'nonsense opinion pieces' posing as 'real science' . So in a lot of countries, gender and sex still refer to your biological sex or gender, which makes the most sense because it actually relies on confirmed science, 'biology' while the other countries have to ask you 'what gender do you identify as?'....in those countries their science cannot tell you what gender the monkey identifies as because they would have to be able to ask the monkey for a concrete answer, they can only guess how the monkey actually feels. I thought something seemed very fishy about this whole debate. The hard cold truth is, science doesn't ask you what gender you are, it tells you what gender you are! I prefer to take a stance on the logical side of this debate. Sex and gender refer to your biological sex, the end.



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28 Jan 2019, 11:43 pm

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Like I said, science gone stupid.

SJW propaganda has nothing to do with science.