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I am very concerned about the preservation of white heritage/race 8%  8%  [ 16 ]
I believe the above concern is unfounded and racist 54%  54%  [ 104 ]
I think the view in option #1 raises some good issues, but SOME people take it too far 13%  13%  [ 25 ]
I think the view in option #1 raises some good issues, but MANY people take it too far 8%  8%  [ 15 ]
show me the money (view results) 17%  17%  [ 32 ]
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07 Jun 2009, 8:26 pm

I don't care about preserving racial purity- I tend to regard group racial classifications as lacking much use in dealing with people. My white uncle married a Cambodian and so far has three children with her. Another aunt and uncle adopted several black children. Growing up it never really occurred to me that there was anything strange about that- a few of my cousins happened to be black, and a few others were Asian, what was the big deal?


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07 Jun 2009, 10:09 pm

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What do you define as racist? I for one am not too fond of inner city crime or illegal immigration.

Inner city crime is not a result of race- whites raised in the inner city will be thugs too. Illegal immigration similarly is not so much a racial problem as an economic one.


Why is it that urban areas were much less crime ridden prior to the 1960s? Especially cities such as Detroit? Why is it that most illegals happen to come from Mexico? It may not be caused by race but there is a definite correlation.



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07 Jun 2009, 10:12 pm

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There are very few if any people who are "pure" white/black/asian whatever. Nearly everyone almost certainly has someone of a different race in their background (it wasn't all that uncommon for a light skin black person to pass for white.)


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07 Jun 2009, 10:15 pm

Just voted and saw the poll results - scary.



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07 Jun 2009, 10:19 pm

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Just voted and saw the poll results - scary.


Why?

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07 Jun 2009, 10:20 pm

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Why is it that urban areas were much less crime ridden prior to the 1960s? Especially cities such as Detroit? Why is it that most illegals happen to come from Mexico? It may not be caused by race but there is a definite correlation.

Is crime up? I think that's largely a popular myth, but I could be wrong. I'm too lazy to go check the numbers. Most illegals come from Mexico because Mexico is a s**thole and Canada isn't, and those are the only two places where we would realistically be getting illegals from because of their geographic proximity.


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07 Jun 2009, 10:26 pm

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Why?

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I don't understand if its maybe a semantic issue or just general knee-jerk bias but... can people understand that if you talk about extinction of any race and relegation to the textbooks that it would be an absolute tragedy regarding preservation of cultural history and diversity in our species? I tend to think of the human species I guess a bit higher than the White Sands movie-watching fly. Sure, its debatable regarding the degree of likelihood that a white race simply be bred out of existence, my logic is that as technology and western economics grabs a hold of the third world they'll all be having 2.2 kids as well quite likely as economic self-interest will compel it. So, unlikely perhaps but thinking or talking about it = racist? Unless its a semantic hang-up I have to wonder if they aren't putting those grubs from Wrath of Khan in people's ears when they go off to college.



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07 Jun 2009, 10:48 pm

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Why is it that urban areas were much less crime ridden prior to the 1960s? Especially cities such as Detroit? Why is it that most illegals happen to come from Mexico? It may not be caused by race but there is a definite correlation.

Is crime up? I think that's largely a popular myth, but I could be wrong. I'm too lazy to go check the numbers. Most illegals come from Mexico because Mexico is a s**thole and Canada isn't, and those are the only two places where we would realistically be getting illegals from because of their geographic proximity.


It's incredibly difficult not to feel enraged when I see the deterioration and decay of American cities. It's hard for me not to think about the revenue and jobs we are losing due to illegal immigration as well as the overcrowding of American prisons.


Shouldn't our cities be taken well care of? Shouldn't American cities be booming centers of tourism and industry as opposed to hellholes laden with crime and decay? Shouldn't urban inhabitants show some respect for the cities they live in?

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08 Jun 2009, 12:06 am

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It's incredibly difficult not to feel enraged when I see the deterioration and decay of American cities.

People have been bitching about that sort of thing since the dawn of recorded history. Is it actually worse now?

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It's hard for me not to think about the revenue and jobs we are losing due to illegal immigration as well as the overcrowding of American prisons.

Immigration is not bad for us, and can be beneficial in many ways. I would rather we liberalized our immigration policies to induce more people to enter legally rather than illegally.

Anyways, I don't see how either of those are racial issues. Mexicans aren't coming here because they want to overwhelm the white race, they're coming here because Mexico sucks and they are seeking a new beginning in the land of opportunity. And our urban centers aren't in a state of decay because of inferior blacks, they're crapholes for economic reasons.


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08 Jun 2009, 1:25 am

You could probably look at race further than just "colour"
There's language, country, region. If you wanted to get an example of region, take football as an example. The UK has so many riots (not as many now) with clashing teams after a game, claiming theirs is better



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08 Jun 2009, 8:55 am

Oh my... what if there were no tongue-rollers eventually? What if there were only non-tongue rollers? It's horrible to even think about it... :?


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08 Jun 2009, 8:57 am

It's a myth that we are losing jobs to illegals - they are mostly jobs Americans won't do. Even if we could get Americans to do them we'd have to pay more. Do you want to pay 12 bucks for a head of lettuce at the grocery store?



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08 Jun 2009, 9:10 am

Wait I think I made a mistake when I posted in this thread.

I have aspergers not autism.


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08 Jun 2009, 11:27 am

Brusilov is the main espouser of far-right ideology here. You're mainly remembering the highly negative and mistaking it for common (in psychology, this is known as the availability heuristic).



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08 Jun 2009, 12:29 pm

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It's a myth that we are losing jobs to illegals - they are mostly jobs Americans won't do. Even if we could get Americans to do them we'd have to pay more. Do you want to pay 12 bucks for a head of lettuce at the grocery store?

Do you enjoy having a poor underclass with deflated wages due to mass influx of even poorer immigrants? Of course you do! We need to have food even more ridiculously cheep!

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People have been bitching about that sort of thing since the dawn of recorded history. Is it actually worse now?

American cities are s**tholes; no secret about that. Reason being, simply enough, that anyone with any money left them in the post-war period, and things like race riots further exacerbated the problem until there was no one but the very poor (generally minority underclass) left, and there were no more jobs left for them. There has been in many of the classic large cities in the United States severe depopulation over the last 70 years or so. Detroit's city proper is scarcely half the size it was in 1960; another especially hard hit city is Newark in NJ, which was I think one of the maybe 20 largest cities in the country back in the 30s, but has since lost nearly two hundred thousand people and is scarcely a blip on the radar. Even Manhattan is significantly lower in population relative to what it was at its peak.

But I'm getting side tracked. Point is that contemporary urban decay can't be pinned on minorities not taking care of the cities, but is instead tied largely to the fact that their populations are primarily underclass and the widespread poverty isn't exactly conducive to taking care of the cities. Blaming minorities for the fact that cities are populated by poor people is ludicrous on two fronts: first is that the white middle class chose to flee the cities in the first place, and second is that one would essentially have to blame minorities for being poor. If I remember the history of the cities of the Rust Belt (including the likes of Newark and Detroit), the migration of poor blacks from the South to the cities in the North coincided roughly with a shift in industrial work and consequently jobs out of the cities in the first place, on top of the fact that discrimination etc. existed up until and after around the time that places like Newark were vacated by the middle class entirely, leaving no opportunities for those left.

Fact is that blaming minorities for the current state of American cities is ridiculous. Maybe if the middle class wants our cities to be nice places they could try actually living in one.

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Is crime up? I think that's largely a popular myth, but I could be wrong. I'm too lazy to go check the numbers.

I'm relatively certain that crime is up quite a bit over the 50s for the country as a whole, although presently it's down compared to the 80s.


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08 Jun 2009, 5:26 pm

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Fact is that blaming minorities for the current state of American cities is ridiculous.
Your post makes me think of a recent one where someone was using statistics on the relation between poverty and crime, and poverty and obesity to conclude fat people are responsible for crime. :lol: