Iranian elections - The Aftermath

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^^ give us proofs , xenon. Have the ballots of a Canadian national election ever been counted and checked in under 4 hours?
That would be a world's record.



http://www.time.com/time/specials/packa ... 44,00.html

http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/1623 ... 09.article

I loved that part:

allied to the supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei = supporters of Ahmadinejad

So the Greens have the 100% total right to doubt the elections since it's supervised only by a one side , the Ahmadinejad side. So why the people should trust the justice and fairness of the the government’s Interior Ministry and the Guardian Council???
Oh because they are clerics who can't lie? lol Riiiight

That reason alone kills the election's validity.

Why do we care what happens in Iran?

Do we care about the elections in New Zealand or Mongolia or Brazil or Nigeria?

So why should we care about Iran?

So Imadinnerjacket got reelected? So what?

Yes and no.

The ballots for one side of the country are counted fully before all the ballots are counted for the other side. As Canada is situated in several time zones, voting is staggered. The only exception is when a political seat (called a riding) is a very close race, in which case it gets recounted very carefully.

Certainly within 4 hours Canadians will know which party will form the government.

Yes, they have. We have the full results in less than four hours... that is results full to the point where we can call a winner. There might be a move of a seat or two and perhaps a couple of seats subject to recounts in the following days but the winner is usually known very quickly.

I noticed that it takes quite a bit longer for British results to be known... but I don't know when the polls close then and how long it takes after that.

In Iran they called it after four hours with two thirds of the ballots returned... they figured that the margin between the candidates and the number of ballots to go were such that they could call a winner.

Wombat asks a very good question here and the answer of course is that there are important people who want to humiliate Ahmadinejad for being mean to Israel, want Iran at least to plug itself in to the world order and have leaders more likely to succumb to the corruption, and of course turmoil and a possible counterrevolution is always welcome to these people... being the issue of being mean to Israel is the real elephant in the room, so to speak... and by that I mean making remarks that are taboo here in the West about that.

Last edited by xenon13 on 20 Jun 2009, 12:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.

some bonus statistics to compare apples with apples in case...

population:

canada - 33,687,000 (2009 est.)
iran - 70,472,846 (2007)

that's a lot of ballots extra to count in 4 hours...

Iran would just have twice as many ballot boxes and twice as many employees to count the ballots, and things would be equal.

ok.. look at some statitstics and subsequent logistics...

Density*

canada - 3.2/km2
iran - 42/km2

not only they can count fast as hell... they also can get some 40 million ballots collected from distant ballot boxes on rural distant sites and transport them GUARDED and SUPERVISED and SAFE to GUARDED and SUPERVISED counting places....

well. i guess santa claus is real after all then.



* from wikipedia

First of all, I certainly support the protesters in spirit. The question becomes what should we outsiders do? Direct intervention would certain tarnish the legitimacy/independence of the protests; I think Obama is taking a solid, pragmatic approach in chiding the Iranian establishment for its actions against the protesters. However, I also believe theocracy and oligarchy are fundamentally unjust forms of government. I do not believe that, even if democratically approved, the majority should be able to suppress a minority. Still I do not believe we should impose these values at gunpoint and instead give our moral support to movements that organically bring liberal change.

Because they produce oil, on which we are dependent, and they are a major power in a volatile region. They could potentially pose a serious security threat to us or our allies.


I don't think we pay too much attention to New Zealand, Mongolia, or Nigeria, as they aren't relevant to our national interests, but Brazil is also an energy exporter.


It puts us in an awkward position from a foreign policy perspective, and it also deprives the Iranian people who were fed up with his crap of their right to self-determination.

In opinion, Iran is turing into Tianenemen Square 2.0,
with the information war happening on social networking sites like Twitter.

Why should we care about Iran?

In my opinion--nukes.

From what I've read (written a few papers about it), Iran does not have the nuclear material to make nukes, and won't for a few more years, but if they pursue it, a few more years isn't that far off.

So, if they have a looney in power, and they get nukes, not a good situation.

Quick question, from what I know about Iran, doesn't the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei really control Iran? And doesn't that make the President of Iran sorta ineffectual and more of a figurehead?

^^ the president there is just a decoration.

In your face , xenon13:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 553843.ece

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8113885.stm

In my opinion i think that the Continuation Ahmedinejad's Power is a good thing, because keeping Ahmedinejad in Power would mean the Continuation of the Iranian Nuclear program, this would eventually cause the illegimate state of Israel to surrender Palestine back to Palestinians, then We Jews and Muslim can live in peace like in Islamic Spain.

best post yet. Iran is run by the Ayatollah and a group of about 12 clerics who dictate ALL policy. The president just goes around the World to all the dinners and speeches. Ever wonder why Ahmadinejad is seemingly NEVER in iran?

Excellent observation.

ruveyn