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ruveyn
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11 Aug 2009, 11:23 am

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Lemme see now. When I typed I sat in front of a computer that was on a spinning part of the world which itself was spinning around a local star which is most surely revolving around the galactic center and, the galaxy is, of course, moving away from all other galaxies. I'm thinking...where was I...hmmm.


You were in front of your computer. Position is not absolute. Position is relative within some fiduciary frame. You were in front of your computer, for sure, (unless you can type facing away from the keyboard, in which case your computer was behind you). So much for everything being ALL speculation. Some things cannot be doubted. You think, therefore, you AM. Which was Descartes point. That is the one not to be doubted thing.

Even among the non-absolutes, some things are more likely to be the case than others. Our entire technology is built on pretty damn sure things.

Even Newton's theory of gravitation, which was wrong, was close enough to get space ships close enough to Jupiter and Saturn to put probes on their moons. Even our bad guesses are pretty good.

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11 Aug 2009, 11:33 am

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:

Lemme see now. When I typed I sat in front of a computer that was on a spinning part of the world which itself was spinning around a local star which is most surely revolving around the galactic center and, the galaxy is, of course, moving away from all other galaxies. I'm thinking...where was I...hmmm.


You were in front of your computer. Position is not absolute. Position is relative within some fiduciary frame. You were in front of your computer, for sure, (unless you can type facing away from the keyboard, in which case your computer was behind you). So much for everything being ALL speculation. Some things cannot be doubted. You think, therefore, you AM. Which was Descartes point. That is the one not to be doubted thing.

Even among the non-absolutes, some things are more likely to be the case than others. Our entire technology is built on pretty damn sure things.

Even Newton's theory of gravitation, which was wrong, was close enough to get space ships close enough to Jupiter and Saturn to put probes on their moons. Even our bad guesses are pretty good.


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A great many of the major advances in knowledge occurred when the obvious was questioned. I never claimed that guesses were not useful, merely that they were guesses - which you have nicely confirmed.