Abortion opions, beliefs, and is it wrong?

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Abortion in many circumstances is no more "necessary" than infanticide would be. You have to clarify what (if any) distinction you see between the two, because the argument you have put forward thus far does not support the idea of the two being at all different.

Here is an answer:
abortion is murder for the ones who believe it is murder, and
abortion is not murder for the ones who do not believe is murder.

On the other hand, murder = unlawful killing of a person.
Technically, if abortion is unlawful and a fetus is considered a person, then legally, that should be considered murder I pressume, but if abortion is not considered unlawful and said fetus is not considered a person, then legally, shouldn't be considered as such. The issue is that many pro-lifers would want the law to recognize it as murder, but it isn't, at least during the first trimester period, about late-term abortions, I'm not sure exactly how the law considers them.

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I think I had established that already? If the child is unwanted for whatever reason (failed protection, rape), the child would be terminated during pregnancy, as it is quite obvious if someone is pregnant sooner or later, and if no abortion is performed the care-takers of that child impose upon that child a sense of identity.

Incidentally, there has been a controversy in Sweden lately about a doctor who euthanized a new-born child who wasn't going survive, and she now faces court charges for murder. Right or Wrong?

I see.


The child was definitely going to die? Then it's hardly murder. Did the doctor in question speak to the child's parents before euthanizing it?

One is either capable of self-identify or they are not. Placing identify onto someone who can't is a an imaginary construct, not to mention the fact that this doesn't stop people from placing an identity on those who have not been born yet. You're drawing arbitary lines in the sand.

Then we have people who give birth who never knew they were pregnant (Yes, this can actually happen when the individual is large). They have placed no identity on the child, are they justified if they want to bash it's brains out with a stone?


Actually, the best course of action would be killing the adult with the highest calorific intake. The second best course of action would be to kill dissidents.

Is jagging off murder?
Is having a period murder?
Is squashing a mosquito murder?
Is killing cancer murder?

I spoke to God directly in regards to this issue and HE said that he doesn't care.

The Goddess Isis tells me she will gladly have her husband take care of the baby once it's in the underworld.

Producing a child is not a minor consideration. When it happens under circumstances of great expectation the parents are most likely well prepared to devote huge portions of their lives to see to it that their progeny is well cared for and given a good chance for a favorable future. Having gone through this twice I am fully aware of the major problems and rewards and although it is a process fully in accord with nature and society it is not without its very large trials and expenses.

Becoming pregnant can frequently be an accident and if the parents are willing to accept the trials involved there is no problem with raising a child. If the child is totally unwanted it becomes a terrible problem for the parents, society, and the child itself who is most likely to suffer severe psychological and frequently physical damage to produce a mature individual that is very likely to be extremely miserable and give society major problems. That any, even early, fetus with no genetic problems has the potential to become a mature human cannot be denied but the claim that this potential be recognized as a legal conscious human seems to me to be outrageous fantasy. Nature has no qualms about miscarriages as this is a frequent natural outcome of many early pregnancies. But people who demand that any minimal collection of fetal cells has the absolute right to over ride all the considerations of the parents in their huge investment in time, money, psychological trials etc. for the proper transformation of a baby into a mature human must then consider how to compensate the indentured unwilling parents or care for the child under other circumstances. To demand that unwilling parents have a child forced into their lives will most likely produce frightful consequences for both the parents and the child, and subsequently, for society at large.

Under dire circumstances under which a birth could result in the death or severe injury of the mother or the production of a severely defective child it should not be the prerogative of society to make crucial decisions as those decisions are frightful for all concerned and to demand that a mother sacrifice her life for her unborn baby is demanding too much of the individuals in control. The decisions are bound to be traumatic for all concerned and to assume that they are taken easily and callously is, if nothing else, totally insensitive and profoundly stupid and far beyond the rights of a society to demand of the individual.

Hermes says that she was thinking of him while she got impregnated so it's technically his. Hermes says he believes in abortion. He told me that he wishes women would have more.

Abortions that is. He wants Isis to take all the souls down to the underworld. The worms are star...vin...marvin

Psh, Egyptian underworld isn't that bad Magnus <.< or at least isn't depicted as such. And honestly Magnus, if you had said Zeus, it would have made a bit more sense, seeing as Zeus was a womanizer. ;P

Good question. If a person is brain dead, they are gone. The various organs can be kept alive, but a living body is not the same as a person.

If a person is mentally impaired, they are still a person IMO.

Does a fetus at the stage of a few cells without even the hint of a nervous system qualify as mentally impaired?

Probably not. What about a late-term fetus that has developed a nervous system?

most foetuses get spontaineously aborted without the woman even noticing she was pregnant. I think that those that managed to get as far as the outside of the vagina are the winners. until then it can go either way



he's a "HE"??

Anna, she'd have said "goddess" otherwise. (sorry for the lame attempt at a joke o.O )

I've seen a recent president of the USA obviously qualified as mentally impaired and since no one has as yet devised an IQ test for a fetus at any stage it seems you have a problem.