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18 Aug 2009, 11:22 am

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Euthanasia is wrong. Killing yourself is wrong. I'm glad it is illegal in certain places.
Humans have no right to take there own lives only God has that right.


And since God frequently makes people totally miserable in incurable diseases it's obvious what carrying out God's will means.



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18 Aug 2009, 11:23 am

Shadowgirl wrote:
Euthanasia is wrong. Killing yourself is wrong. I'm glad it is illegal in certain places.
Humans have no right to take there own lives only God has that right.


It's just like a stereotypical Christian to go around telling everyone else what to do because he/she happens to have an opinion. Not everyone believes in your holy ghost, my dear, and I assure you, your belief in God won't stop this heathen from doing anything he wants as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Try thinking for once instead of just reciting the pious garbage you've been force fed.



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18 Aug 2009, 11:30 am

rensilaer wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
Euthanasia is wrong. Killing yourself is wrong. I'm glad it is illegal in certain places.
Humans have no right to take there own lives only God has that right.


It's just like a stereotypical Christian to go around telling everyone else what to do because he/she happens to have an opinion. Not everyone believes in your holy ghost, my dear, and I assure you, your belief in God won't stop this heathen from doing anything he wants as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Try thinking for once instead of just reciting the pious garbage you've been force fed.


She's 21 years old. Do you really believe that a simple suggestion will give her that ability?



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18 Aug 2009, 11:31 am

Sand wrote:
rensilaer wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
Euthanasia is wrong. Killing yourself is wrong. I'm glad it is illegal in certain places.
Humans have no right to take there own lives only God has that right.


It's just like a stereotypical Christian to go around telling everyone else what to do because he/she happens to have an opinion. Not everyone believes in your holy ghost, my dear, and I assure you, your belief in God won't stop this heathen from doing anything he wants as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Try thinking for once instead of just reciting the pious garbage you've been force fed.


She's 21 years old. Do you really believe that a simple suggestion will give her that ability?


No, but I have faith. :)



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18 Aug 2009, 11:33 am

rensilaer wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
Euthanasia is wrong. Killing yourself is wrong. I'm glad it is illegal in certain places.
Humans have no right to take there own lives only God has that right.


It's just like a stereotypical Christian to go around telling everyone else what to do because he/she happens to have an opinion. Not everyone believes in your holy ghost, my dear, and I assure you, your belief in God won't stop this heathen from doing anything he wants as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Try thinking for once instead of just reciting the pious garbage you've been force fed.


I haven't been force fed anything. You don't even know me so what gives you the right to pass judgment on me.

I have a right to my opinion and you nobody else is going to take that from me.


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18 Aug 2009, 11:35 am

Shadowgirl wrote:
rensilaer wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
Euthanasia is wrong. Killing yourself is wrong. I'm glad it is illegal in certain places.
Humans have no right to take there own lives only God has that right.


It's just like a stereotypical Christian to go around telling everyone else what to do because he/she happens to have an opinion. Not everyone believes in your holy ghost, my dear, and I assure you, your belief in God won't stop this heathen from doing anything he wants as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Try thinking for once instead of just reciting the pious garbage you've been force fed.


I haven't been force fed anything. You don't even know me so what gives you the right to pass judgment on me.

I have a right to my opinion and you nobody else is going to take that from me.


See?



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18 Aug 2009, 11:37 am

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I don't support people wanting to kill themselves (when there is nothing wrong with them). I do support people allowing themselves to die (via refusing medical care, etc.).



Who are you to judge that question? What does "nothing" wrong mean. Do you mean no obvious physiological problem, or disease, or pain? Or what? And how would you know what degree of psychological pain another human being is feeling. Are you psychic? Or are you just arrogant?

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18 Aug 2009, 11:39 am

Shadowgirl wrote:
rensilaer wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
Euthanasia is wrong. Killing yourself is wrong. I'm glad it is illegal in certain places.
Humans have no right to take there own lives only God has that right.


It's just like a stereotypical Christian to go around telling everyone else what to do because he/she happens to have an opinion. Not everyone believes in your holy ghost, my dear, and I assure you, your belief in God won't stop this heathen from doing anything he wants as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Try thinking for once instead of just reciting the pious garbage you've been force fed.


I haven't been force fed anything. You don't even know me so what gives you the right to pass judgment on me.

I have a right to my opinion and you nobody else is going to take that from me.


Oh, how ironic. But here you are ready to pass judgment on all the people who might be in terminal suffering and simply wish to die with an ounce of dignity. How exactly is that any different?

And, you know what, Shadowgirl. I absolutely agree that you have a right to your opinion and I would never say otherwise. I don't agree with your uninformed, baseless, totally whimsical and arbitrary opinion, but I would do everything I can to make sure that you could express it.

You see, I'm not in the business of telling people what to do or what to think. That's what your lot does, isn't it?



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18 Aug 2009, 11:41 am

Sand wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
rensilaer wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
Euthanasia is wrong. Killing yourself is wrong. I'm glad it is illegal in certain places.
Humans have no right to take there own lives only God has that right.


It's just like a stereotypical Christian to go around telling everyone else what to do because he/she happens to have an opinion. Not everyone believes in your holy ghost, my dear, and I assure you, your belief in God won't stop this heathen from doing anything he wants as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Try thinking for once instead of just reciting the pious garbage you've been force fed.


I haven't been force fed anything. You don't even know me so what gives you the right to pass judgment on me.

I have a right to my opinion and you nobody else is going to take that from me.


See?


Hey, you never know until you try, right?



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18 Aug 2009, 1:29 pm

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Euthanasia is wrong. Killing yourself is wrong. I'm glad it is illegal in certain places.
Humans have no right to take there own lives only God has that right.


I know this is a little off topic but you're not a Catholic are you?


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18 Aug 2009, 1:30 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
Euthanasia is wrong. Killing yourself is wrong. I'm glad it is illegal in certain places.
Humans have no right to take there own lives only God has that right.


I know this is a little off topic but you're not a Catholic are you?


What tipped you off? :lol:



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18 Aug 2009, 1:33 pm

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Excuse me for sounding dumb, but what does agnosticism have to do with this?

Oh, agnosticism can refer to religious debates, but I believe the term can be applied more broadly, where it means a similar thing to what it means in the religious context, but just applied to the relevant context.

Make sense?



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18 Aug 2009, 1:36 pm

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Excuse me for sounding dumb, but what does agnosticism have to do with this?

Oh, agnosticism can refer to religious debates, but I believe the term can be applied more broadly, where it means a similar thing to what it means in the religious context, but just applied to the relevant context.

Make sense?


No.



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18 Aug 2009, 1:46 pm

rensilaer wrote:
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Shadowgirl wrote:
Euthanasia is wrong. Killing yourself is wrong. I'm glad it is illegal in certain places.
Humans have no right to take there own lives only God has that right.


I know this is a little off topic but you're not a Catholic are you?


What tipped you off? :lol:


Oh....just some things. They really love to tell you how much god hates that or how you'll go to hell for doing something that doesn't agree with their rigid system of belief.

Most christian denominations I've run across don't have views as extreme as catholicism. They still hold the extreme belief that suicide is a sin just as almost everything else. I'm sure there are other denominations as well but it's usually catholics that emphasize such "evil" deeds that will go punished.... :twisted:

It is one hell of a superstitious sect....let me tell ya.... :roll:


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18 Aug 2009, 1:48 pm

Sand wrote:
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Excuse me for sounding dumb, but what does agnosticism have to do with this?

Oh, agnosticism can refer to religious debates, but I believe the term can be applied more broadly, where it means a similar thing to what it means in the religious context, but just applied to the relevant context.

Make sense?


No.


What he said.

I was mainly asking what it had to do in the context of this topic.


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18 Aug 2009, 2:19 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
Sand wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
Excuse me for sounding dumb, but what does agnosticism have to do with this?

Oh, agnosticism can refer to religious debates, but I believe the term can be applied more broadly, where it means a similar thing to what it means in the religious context, but just applied to the relevant context.

Make sense?


No.


What he said.

I was mainly asking what it had to do in the context of this topic.

A gnostic ism- lack of knowledge Which is also how the term applies to the religious question.

Sand's question was about knowledge. I said agnosticism isn't a grounds for making a decision. This means that a lack of knowledge isn't a basis for deciding in favor of one side or the other.

It really isn't difficult once you recognize that the basic meaning of the term can be applied to broader issues.

ag-nos-tic (ag-nostik)n. One who believes that there can be no proof of the existence of God but does not deny the possibility that God exists.adj. 1. Relating to or being an agnostic. 2. Noncommittal: "I favored European unity, but I was agnostic about the form it should take" (Henry A. Kissinger).

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ag-nos-ti-cism (ag-nosti-sizm)n. 1. The doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge. 2. The belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.

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Now you might argue that the form I was using it in is only tenuously connected to the definitions given, I will then have to disagree with your assessment of tenuousness.