My Brother is calling me a racist for being Anti Zionist

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I recall my mother telling me that when she was a child in Kuwait, her Palestinian refugee friends would call her a Jew if they got into a fight. That was considered a terrible enough insult for my grandfather to go to their houses and have a heated argument with their parents, almost to blows, with everyone being labelled a Jew in the end. "Yeh-u-di" is the exact term used.

Being raised in a Jew hating Muslim family, I'm one of the few people here who actualy understands what the average Muslim family'
s attitude towards other people are like. Muslims generally look down on other people, mock and ridicule their beliefs. And they loathe Jews.

So much hate... it's mind boggling.

I've even heard my family praise Hitler a few times. "Hitler was a good man". "Hitler was on the right track". "Hitler should have finished them off before it was too late". Etc.

When my sister was dating a Hindu chap from Nepal, my mother used used curse him by saying words like "yuck, disgusting idolater", "filthy pig", etc.

In fact, when one reads the Qur'an, you discover that what has been taught to Muslims is actually quite opposite to what they believe in. Below, I've copy pasted some verses describing what Islamic etiquette should actually be:

Always Respond to a 'Greeting':

"When greeted with a greeting, you shall respond with a better greeting or at least an equal one. GOD reckons all things." (4:86)

"O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation: "Thou art not a believer!"..." (4:94)

Always Say 'Good' things:

"Do you not see that GOD has cited the example of a good word as a good tree whose root is firmly fixed, and its branches are high in the sky. It produces its crop every season, as designed by its Lord. GOD thus cites the examples for the people, that they may take heed." (14:24-25)

Be 'Humble', and speak 'Lightly':

"Walk humbly and lower your voice, the ugliest voice is the donkey's voice." (31:19)

Invite to GOD with wisdom and kindness:

"Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones." (16:125)

"It was mercy from GOD that you became compassionate towards them. Had you been harsh and mean-hearted, they would have abandoned you. Therefore, you shall pardon them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult them. Once you make a decision, carry out your plan, and trust in GOD. GOD loves those who trust in Him." (3:159)

Be Kind to your parents:

"Your Lord has decreed that you shall not worship except Him, and your parents shall be honored. As long as one or both of them live, you shall never say to them, "Uff" (the slightest gesture of annoyance), nor shall you shout at them; you shall treat them amicably. And lower for them the wings of humility, and kindness, and say, "My Lord, have mercy on them, for they have raised me from infancy." (17:23-24)

Suppress Anger & Forgive People:

"who (the righteous) give to charity during the good times, as well as the bad times. They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people. GOD loves the charitable." (3:134)

Counter Evil with Good:

"Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend." (41:34)

"They steadfastly persevere in seeking their Lord, observe the Link (Salat), spend from our provisions to them secretly and publicly, and counter evil with good. These have deserved the best abode." (13:22)

Do NOT Say 'Bad' things:

"And the example of the bad word is that of a bad tree chopped at the soil level; it has no roots to keep it firm." (14:26)

Do NOT be 'Arrogant' or 'Carefree':

"You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth carefree. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs." (31:18)

Do NOT engage in 'ignorant' talk:

"The servants of the Almighty are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace." (25:63)

Do NOT Curse the Idolaters:

"And do not curse those who call on other than GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done." (6:108)

Do NOT make fun of others, or call them names:

"O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors." (49:11)

Do NOT be suspicious, or spy on one another, or backbite:

"O you who believe, if a wicked person brings any news to you, you shall first investigate, lest you commit injustice towards some people, out of ignorance, then become sorry and remorseful for what you have done." (49:6)

"O you who believe, you shall avoid any suspicion, for even a little bit of suspicion is sinful. You shall not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite one another; this is as abominable as eating the flesh of your dead brother. You certainly abhor this. You shall observe GOD. GOD is Redeemer, Most Merciful." (49:12)

Do NOT be 'Racist':

"O people, We created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant." (49:13)

What... seriously, you think thre's "no anti semitism" other than among the ignorant and marginalised? I live in the UK, and anti semitism is rife. Over here Jews are blamed for 9 11, and the current global crises... and pretty much anything else you can think of.

What you seem to be saying is that a good many Muslims do not respect the Qur'an. How do you expect these people to react when you point this out?

Many do. Most don't. I usually kindly make it a point to point these verses out to members of my family whenever they start their insults.

Muslims do respect the Qur'an. Few actually do follow what has been ordered, by God.

Usually, they're just quiet after I point it out. Few change though.


Also, I must point out that Muslims mostly read the Qur'an in Arabic, although only 15% of them are Arabs. Also, Qur'anic Arabic is very different from spoken Arabic.

For example, I was forced to read it in Arabic for 10 years, without understanding a single verse. It's only two years back that I read it in English, and finally understood what Islam is actually supposed to be. That led me into my own person investigation into what I believe is the truth.

My family is quite superstitious. They believe that they will get immense rewards in heaven by reading the words in Arabic, even though they don't understand what they are reading.

Muslims believe that only the priests have the sole authority to interpret Islamic scriptures. Hence, they usually blindly follow whatever they tell them to do.

I've mentioned this before. My neighbours are Shi'a. They're very nice people, and are good friends of ours. One day, the local priest told us not to accept food from them during Ramadhan, because they apparently spit in the food they give to Sunnis. My parents actually believed him for a while, until they used common sense and realised that their good friends will not do such a thing just because they belong to two different sects.

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Excellent post. Thank you for the enlightenment.

"Jews" or "Israel/Zionism"? There IS actually a difference between the two despite the illusion that the Zionists are trying to create (kinda like how not all white people are a part of the KKK/white supremacist movement).

edit: WTF about the economic crisis? Don't people realize that Roosevelt and Rockefeller aren't Jewish names or from Jewish heritage and neither is Bush or Clinton. Greenspan is, Rothschild is, Kissinger is...but so what? The Saudi princes have as much a hand in these dealings as anyone else and so do plenty Christians and, more specifically, WASPs*. It shouldn't be that hard to go "uh, yeah....so how about x, y and z?" Sounds like some BS...and again, if Israel/Zionism was taken out of the equation, this problem could be much more easily dealt with and eliminate the garbage.


*edit: A quick note in case anyone isn't familiar with the term, a WASP is an acronym for "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant".

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Isn't that pretty much like any religion, though? I mean most people suck and only adhere to religious ideas/principles when it's convenient for them in some form or another.

Zionism is based on the idea that the "chosen people" should inhabit their "promised land". It's radical nationalism backed by religion.

Whatever the racial or genetic commonality of the Jewish people as a whole, a conviction that their existence demands special favored status is no different philosophically than the so-called superiority of whites or the concept that blond blue eyed people should run the world.

Depends. You do find many people who do adhere to the principles and such. These people are in the minority though. Also, nobody's perfect.



It's about human behaviour, TBH. All religions essentially teach to be kind, generous, forgiving, honest, etc. It's all about good virtues.

You're kidding, right? The 95+% majority don't follow their own faith to the T and instead adopt a perverse version of neo-paganism where they simply pick and choose what fits for them without acknowledging the whole of what they do/believe/act upon.

http://info.bahai.org/article-1-3-2-17.html

Ahmadinejad is anti-Semitic though. He has denied the holocaust and spread several conspiracy theories.


I am not a Zionist but beyond that I think your ideas are total fantasy. Mostly because they are stuck in a period of history you happen to be interested in rather than reality in the modern age.

Islamic fundamentalism and Wahhabism are more of a problem than Zionism. It's openly racist and violent.

Since they're both racist and violent why is one more of a threat than the other? Israel has the nuclear bomb and the whole country is driven by fear mongers.

Not to mention the whole of Israel has army training/brainwashing.