Is discussing iq differences between nations taboo?

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I love how codarac actually writes like how I imagine NF members write. Also Watson was at the least a borderline fraud - he and Crick got their Nobel prize by stealing the technique developed and implemented by a junior female member of their research team. Once again - fascists trying to co-opt science for their pseudo-politics = epic fail.

It's a waste of time giving money to Africa because we're the ones sucking them dry, it's like robbing someone's house and giving them back their cutlery and expecting gratitude.

That's a separate issue. The way I look at it is why should a sample from one racial group have the same average IQ as a sample from another? If you record numerous other data from human groups of different race you'll find certain results correlate with a certain race. It would be remarkable if the measurable performance of cognitive function didn't also.

Your writing resembles something one might expect to read in the Socialist Worker, TitusLucretiusCarus. Anyway, good to see you "celebrating" our "vibrant" diversity of opinion, just like a good leftist should.


Their own leaders have been doing that ever since they kicked out the white ones.

Bring back Ian Smith, I say...

I don't know that it's taboo...but some subjects have a higher 'Godwin quotient' than others...

The only one that really gets problems is "My country,__________, is better than all the others"
While true in principal, the only problem is filling in the blank...

oooh, now that's a stinging rebuke! I'm wounded. Honestly. I am.

I wasn't celebrating anything about it, I find it amusing that codarac writes in a manner reminiscent of an NF boy, that's all.
It also has the usual academic rigour of the same; none that is.



are those the same leaders the west prop up?

I'm assuming NF is nationalist front?

Say like...BNF or the BNP?

A measure of intelligence topic

I do not know how relevant this is, but I heard on a radio broadcast in my city that apparently all smart people have one thing in common: excessive body hair.

I wish I had a link for it.

I think intelligence has more to do with race than what nation you are from. Some races are smarter, some races perform better at physical tasks. I'm not saying that one race doesn't have any smart people, one race doesn't have any dumb people, or that one race doesn't have any athletic people, I'm talking about averages. It's just politically incorrect now to talk about it in acadmic circles. Nobody would want to hear about it even if you had extremely conclusive test results to back up your theory.

Even if this were true (which is doubtful) any group differences would easily be overridden by individual variation to the point that such knowledge is useless. Let's say, as one poster recently claimed, that Germans have an average IQ of 107. OK, well, that still makes the average German a moron. Most black people are stupid, most white people are stupid, most Asians are stupid, most people in general are stupid. What matter are the outliers, not the mean, and an outlier can come from any data set. Averages are meaningless when the average person makes no intellectual contribution to the world.

Uh yeah....if you don't add any of the necessary levels of context.

Lazy thinking.

If Germans, for arguments sake, do have an average IQ of 107 then you're likely to be able to identify another group (probably sub-Saharan Africans) with an average the other side of 100; let's say, for arguments sake, 93. That's a 14 point difference beween two groups -- nearly one standard deviation. That's going to have a massive impact on the pool of people available for certain skilled jobs in the group with lower average IQ. IQ isn't just relevant to academics, it provides a good indication of whether an individual is cognitively capable of undertaking a specfic task -- your military rejects applicants below a certain IQ threshold, for example.

ascan -

because you're a racist and such a sampling presupposes different results according to race - which is to say it is also racist. If it were to happen that Africans recorded a lower average IQ that would tell me scratching an existence in the dirt, starving to death, civil wars, economic slavery and massive corruption is not conducive to a well rounded education.



yep, National Front followed by the BNP - which is the National Front acting a little more coy about what they think. I'm curious as to the average IQ of NF members.....



I think you need to look back on the forum rules about racist comments, you may be skirting a little close with that one.

again such a test presupposes racial difference in that area and would be biased from the outset. And it's an embarassment to talk about it in academic circles, mainly because it's dumb as all hell and it did get some discussion in academic circles - it was called eugenics and has long been dead.

wow, this thread is like catnip for racists - they just can't help themselves.

Probably fairly regular or on the high side. Just because you're lazy about your thought process dealing with sociological situations doesn't necessarily mean you're lazy elsewhere mentally. Just like because someone is good at math doesn't necessarily mean they'll be good at chemistry: different aspects of the thought process and where people expand it fully or simply cut it off early.

A whole bunch of physiological and genetic features correlate with race. That can't be disputed. With regard to that context, the hypothesis that there are differences in IQ between racial groups is reasonable. Moreover it is testable, making it all the more valid an area for investigation. Throwing around accusations of racism just highlights your inability to think beyond the far-left dogma you've been indoctrinated with.

And how much has to do with the genetic history of the environments of the people? How much has to do with events in the collective history that may have altered who would survive? One reason why African Americans in the states have such high sodium levels and therefore high blood pressure and heart problems is because when the slaves were transported over, they weren't nourished very well and the ones who had a propensity to store more sodium in their systems and expel less like the rest of us do were the ones most apt to survive the long, abusive trip. How many more genetic factors like that are there in history that determine various biological functions? Considering how much time there's been between "then" and "now", I'd assume quite a few. There's not much that effects intelligence like that in the long term seeing as intelligence isn't hereditary.

Indeed, and the hypothesis that there are IQ differences between races is reasonable considering that context. You are supporting my argument.