Good muslim/Bad muslim

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this coming from a site with "bible" as its main address, i doubt it's very Islam-friendly.

Actually I could care less what a person's religion is... but as soon as it turns into a "us vs. them" thing, it goes downhill.

One of these days all these religious fruitcakes and political extremist will realize there is no 'them'... it's only us, we are all in this together.

A person who follow a religion has synthetic AS. Obsessing about one thing, having one view, not seeing it in another light. (just a theory and a thought)

I wouldn't want to go in a relationship with someone who loves someone else more than me that THEY have never met, nor seen, nor dated.

Religion is created by and large by human beings and, thus, has flaws. But God can work through religion, regardless of the flaws, to help people lead better lives. Its a matter of really listening, and finding God's will. But religion can also be used for evil, and we've all seen that. No one religion can claim the perfect high ground, but there also really are no mainstream major religions that have been completely taken over by evil. There are faithful Muslims who know which parts of the Q'uran to view as "history," or "the past," while using other parts to create something beautiful. The intention of Islam was peace - it is what I've been told the word means. That other aspects get fed and thrive doesn't mean the faith itself is evil, as much as that the breeding grounds may contain evil.

Catholicism, which is my religion, can claim an awful lot of corruption in its past and errors of judgment today. But that it was/is the fault of individuals, often individuals in positions of trust and power, and not the fault of God. The church today advocates social justice and many other admirable goals; that some clergy go too far on certain positions is the fault of those individuals, and not the faith as a whole. I don't want my life painted by the actions of others I have no control over, and I don't want all of Catholicism to be. It’s a huge umbrella, just as Islam is.

yes DW that is how I feel,

"fundie" Christians I know are always complaining that Islam is let off from being critisised by left-wing people, they say they have a double standard and that the same bad points they mock in Christianity they ignore in Islam. In their opinion this is either because they are scared of the violence of Muslims or because Satan resides in the hearts of all non-christians making them attack Christianity while "promoting evil faiths". I think it is more about the fact that the left-wing people think right wing christians are more safe and comfortable in the world on the whole...of course Christians in eastern europe and asia are oppressed, but american/european ones are an easy target as opposed to the Islamic world which is being exploited more for its land and oil. But it does make me think there should not be a double standard of respect, we shouldn't spend lots of time mocking the creationism, bigotry and sexism of Christian fundies and then ignore the fact that lots of Muslims have similar beliefs. It makes me wonder that the act that so many Muslims share the same beliefs liberal people mock western christians for means we have made a mistake mocking them so much, there should be more respect on both sides, as a double standard does not help anyone. I felt it was a lot more simple in the 90s as me and my friends were just against fundamentalism and religion and associated it with authority. But this decade we feel solidarity for oppresed people who have many of those same beliefs we mocked. I hope i have made sense.

Good Muslim, bad Muslim...

There is only Muslims and Kuffar. Then there are those who claim to be Muslims -- who pick and choose --, they, the hypocrites(munafiq), will go to the lowest depths of hell. End of story, unless you're a revisionist.

When i see "liberal" people on forums defending Islam/Muslims, some of them say arguements along the lines of "only a minority have bigoted/violent beliefs, most of them are moderate and peaceful" and some of them say "well yes they are angry and some do feel solidarity with terrorists but who can blame them with the way the US exploits them, and that is a bigger issue than if they have bigoted/sexist beliefs". I wish I knew things like...how many Muslims in the UK are the "angry fundies" and how many are the nice liberal-approved "moderates", and how do you define the difference between the two.

I read this book , and it really disturbed me as it was saying lots of the same critisisms the right-wing anti-Islam racists say, only from a female liberal muslim who moved to the USA.
Critics of the book said she disproportiantly focused on Islam, which i didnt think was valid as she comes from that world, the same way Dawkins focuses on bashing the dominant religion in his world. She said she was exposing the "fundamentalists".

Attack the idea, not the person. When discussing religion, focusing on specific doctrine vs. lumping it all together would probably be one's best bet.


M.