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You seriously live in London?

Every major city has no-go zones for each race, where you get beaten/mugged/stabbed if you go there.

Even somewhere like camden has its own little no-go zones.

^^socio-economics is a far stronger indicator of the prevalence of violence in a specific area than race. far stronger. those sections of the working class which live in the worst conditions (the long term unemployed or unemployable, v. low wage earners) are very often the most backward especially on race (look at the supporter base for the BNP - white, unemployed/low wage, working class, predominantly in the north) and will often leap to the pavlovian conclusion that their problems are the result of the actions of another race (non-whites have a lot of reasons for reaching this conclusion, including historical, though this is not to say the conclusion is correct) - a rather more equitable distribution of wealth would be a massive step in remedying the conditions which lead them to drawing these completely invalid conclusions. There are plenty of white working class people who recognise the far right's propaganda for the idiocy that it is, and have a track record of standing shoulder to shoulder with pakistanis, east asians and africans (amongst others) against them.

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Evidence below. You can find it in the mainstream media, too, although they often don't report the details because those details are too shocking.
Evidence as requested.

you really are quite something. they were jailed. they were jailed after leading members of the asian community in glasgow worked to turn them in. i really can't convey the rage I feel that the BNP tried to profit politically from the brutal murder of this boy - that you would also is both despicable and not surprising.

They were jailed, although hanging would have been more appropriate. And even your link says he was picked on purely because of the colour of his skin. A white kid tortured to death by Asians in Britain.

That is a horrific article if true, especially the torture details made me feel nauseas. Just as alarming are some of the comments that people made on that site in response to the article. I feel the UK is becoming a racial/religious powder keg that is getting worse by the day. There seems to be a gradual rise in voter sympathy toward BNP and their message of hate is becoming voiced by more people.

This seems partly fuelled by the efforts made by the English government to promote and integrate Muslims into UK society and by many of the politically correct initiatives or things relating to this. Some are trivial and misguided like banning the three little piggies play from a school and rewriting the story as the three little puppies in case it offends any Muslims. The accumulation of these sort of trivial everyday actions tends to offend everyone!

Unfortunately some Muslims don't want to integrate and some even want Sharia law imposing in England. I lived in England until only a few years ago and some of the things going off there alarmed me. I think it will only be a matter of time before there are severe race riots on the streets and possibly worse.

I quote my own response to you "I'll consider that an honest concern when you're willing to go to superhuman lengths to end violence toward non-white individuals - including you incessant propagandising." A group of people committing an unporovoked, racially motivated attack against another person. How on earth is this not an undeniable example of how your own political position is utterly untenable?

They don't publish the worst bits because they really are too shocking. What inflames the situation is that when this first occured there was very little mention in the press. If a black person is the victim of white thugs it gets spread far and wide by the media. But if it's a white person you'll often only catch the news locally.

You are correct with regard to the BNP. A lot of people are now sympathetic. These aren't just the unemployed at the bottom of the social ladder, but often well-educated people. And who can blame them?

I don't support violence against non-white people, unless it's self-defence. I support the end of immigration to the UK, except in exceptional circumstances. I also support the immediate arrest and deportation of all illegal immigrants here and that financial incentives should be provided to encourage many of the legal ones already here to leave.

the circumstances are already exceptional. you think dozens of people at a time will travel in cargo containers and lorries over hundreds of miles with the rotting corpses and faecal matter of their fellow travellers just because they want to give the Daily Mail and the BNP something to gnash their teeth over? I think it rather more to do with the exceptional circumstances prevalent in their points of origin - htose being repeated conflicts, civil wars, legalised rape, rampant torture, beheadings, punitive amputations, female circumcision the list goes on and on. every act to deport a human being to these places is an act of violence (irrespective of their status in the eyes of the law, one thing many people seem not to acknowledge is that what is the law and what is just do not necessarily coincide, if it all). a brutal act at that. way to contradict yourself.

'I don't condone drink driving but I won't take their keys off them'
'I don't support arson but i'll supply the matches.'
'I don't support torture but i won't stop it either.'

again - "I'll consider that an honest concern when you're willing to go to superhuman lengths to end violence toward non-white individuals - including you incessant propagandising."

Ascan, like most who peddle your brand of racist hyperbole you do not bother to search out the facts or wilfully ignore them. A ten second google search brought this up
http://www.irr.org.uk/2002/november/ak000008.html

Then a little furhter and you get this

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jul2003/asyl-j09.shtml

and this

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/apr2001/race-a10.shtml

and this

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/apr2007/immi-a26.shtml

and this

http://www.cps.gov.uk/eastern/cps_eastern_news/youths_jailed_for_racially_motivated_attack/

What you and the BNP are peddling is simplistic nationalistic garbage, designed to whip up people who are fearful for there economic position into a frenzy of hatred. You have no idea of the true nature of the economic forces lined up against the working class / or cannot be bothered to analyse the situation. After all finding and bashing scapegoats is so much easier.

If the likes of you and the BNP are victorious it heralds the complete defeat of the working class

Ah, right, so we're supposed to let the world's oppressed take up home in our little 600 mile long by 300 mile wide island bringing their conflicts, prejudices and superstition with them, are we? This is the problem with your brand of leftist thinking: it's completely unrealistic and overwhelmingly self-destructive.

The first few links (as far as I got) show the failure of the multicultural hell forced upon us. Racism works both ways; I know that. If governments didn't force different cultures into direct competition this wouldn't happen. You can't keep shipping in more and more people from all over the world and force them to live cheek by jowl on some little island in the north Atlantic without consequences. That's just human nature.


What would an Australian like you know about living in Britain? I live here. I've seen parts of the city where I was raised overrun with Asians. I've gone into shops there where they treat you like crap because you're white, and where they don't even bother to speak English. I've visited facilities all over the country where foreign labour is employed almost exclusively, and yet we have unemployment at the highest level for decades. Those are some of the facts. I'm well travelled within the UK, well educated and reasonably intelligent so feel my observations and opinions are perfectly valid. Moreover, I'm probably better versed in the economic realities that face us here than you. So, if you wish to address my argument please restrain your emotions and present something concrete to the discussion, without invoking those meaningless shibboleths of socialism, "racism" and "hate", more often than is necessary.

What cracks me up (a little), is all the Muslim matrimonial sites I'm seeing around these posts...
What bugs me is that someone's set up a 'sniffer' of sorts to 'semi-read' what our subject titles are. So much for privacy...

<tongue in cheek>
You know, though...

My country is being invaded by legions of Catholics. Up to 19 million of them might (who can tell?... be here illegally. There are bars and restaurants, tiendas and apartment complexes, where you might see brown people, and no white faces (except maybe the white Catholics that come from these countries).

In time, we might have a Catholic majority in this country. Will I be forced to learn the Rosary? Eat fish on Friday? Dios mio, even learn another language? just interesting no one seems to point this out... Where's parity between the two religions when you need it? Oh, yeah, they're actually trying to fit in some here. Maybe it's the same over there...
</tongue in cheek>

Islam is another form of Judaism... Judaism today has become almost a tribal religion so Islam would seem to be its universalist counterpart - a version of Judaism that looks to the world, not just to the tribe.

I AM British you racist fool, specifically I grew up and lived most of my life in London