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No you have demonstrated on many occasions your racist bigotry. Trust you to defend the idea that between-group differences in IQ is a result of racial genetic differences. Of course it would be beyond your comprehension that these observed differences has anything to do with opportunity and privilege

I don't discount those as relevant in some circumstances. Also, I don't believe in any kind of superiority based on skin colour, although I accept that skin colour is likely to correlate in some way with IQ just as it does with blood group or eye colour. What's so unreasonable about that? I suppose even thinking about such things, let alone writing them, makes me "racist".

As far as I am aware so called scientific studies, that purport to show differences in intelligence from genetic racial perspective, have been shown to be flawed. Looking for supporting evidence from a purely scientific viewpoint is not racist, but I suspect in your case the motivation has little to do with scientific enquiry, and more to do with a social/cultural one, ie you are a racist and you are desperately trying to find evidence to support your beliefs. You can bleat on all you like about 'just looking at the facts' the facts you are using to promote your repugnant beliefs are false. The fact of the matter is IQ tests themselves are flawed and to use these to demonstrate the superior intelligence of one race over another is pitiful.

Many, if not most, things are flawed in so far as they are imperfect. Newtonian mechanics, for example, and even your beloved Marxism. This does not mean we discard them, but use them as a step towards something better. Yet, in the case of IQ tests and the evidence for a genetically-determined component of IQ you propose to completely discount them and label racist anyone who doesn't do the same.

For the last time, I describe you as racist because you are, your search for and support of, shonky science to help support your views is just one aspect showing this.

A quick search brought this up

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I could post pages of evidence, but I think this will suffice, own up to yourself you are RACIST.

Anyhow enough said, I think this thread has been hijacked long enough.

Oh boy.
Any other liberals here who want to step forward and exorcise their guilt?

I attended a diversity session once myself (a kind of tame one compared to some I've heard about). The diversity consultant was a black woman. She had a Scottish sounding name. She said people she'd corresponded with were often surprised on meeting her to see that she was black, given her name and senior status. She then informed us that West Indians can be racist against West Africans and vice versa (presumably - and I suppose I should have thanked her for this - to explain to the attendees that 'racism' is not just a black and white issue, but I knew that anyway).

The general idea behind these diversity sessions seems to be to get people to admit to "stereotyping" and then to show them that their "stereotypes" are wrong.
It's a shame people are so easily manipulated by this stuff.
Yes, stereotypes will sometimes be inaccurate. But often they will be accurate. "Stereotyping" is really just about pattern recognition: an important survival skill.

The mere fact that diversity consultant is now a valid job title should really indicate that there's something a bit odd about modern society.

Are you really 45, Dent?
You sound about 18.

This word "racist" that you love so much didn't even exist before the 20th century. It was invented by your fellow commie Leon Trotsky.

Hey, Dent. Do you think humans are usually smarter than pandas? Do you think cheetahs are usually faster than squirrels? Do you think cows are usally bigger than sheep?
Careful! You might be a "speciesist"! Then we can all ponder about what sort of "repugnant" ideas you are motivated by!

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I don't know what you think you achieve with this little history lesson.

Look, the Iranians are also descended from people who built a great civilization, but if you filled a school 50% with Iranian kids and 50% with, say, Chinese kids, you would expect the pattern of academic achievement in the school to roughly correlate with the pattern of IQ distribution.
The Chinese kids would have an advantage.
Unless all the lessons were taught in Farsi perhaps.

Human biodiversity is a fact of life.
That doesn't mean that it makes any sense to talk about any one group being "better" or "worse" than any other - not unless we specify the criteria.

It's hardly a nightmare. My life is far richer for being able to interact with and learn from a variety of different people, each with their own perspective.

Re Codarac: Chinese vs Iranian students. This is probably in part a cultural issue, as many Chinese parents stress the importance of academic achievement to their children. In the first half of the twentieth century, many Americans were in a panic over the many ill-educated and under-achieving Italian immigrants. The children of Italian immigrants also seemed to do poorly in school compared to English- or German-descended students, and many speculated that Italians were genetically inferior to northern Europeans. Once Italians were able to assimilate into American culture, this gap went away entirely. There was a similar worry over Irish immigrants earlier, and once again, the racists were proved wrong.

IQ tests are a poor measure anyways. I read a paper just last week that found there is almost no correlation between IQ and the capacity for rational thought.

This has to be the most idiotic strawman I have yet seen



Go ahead be my guest, when put to the test my political ideology is as far from repugnant (for the majority of the population at least) as one can be. Your racist, [yes there is that word again, and I use it with such frequency to describe you and ascan simply because it fits your cultural viewpoint] beliefs on the other hand are repugnant.

If you consider a society where the majority have a truly democratic say, where decisions are based upon need and reason rather than profit, where wars are not waged in the pursuit of profit, where people are free to live where they want, where the resources of the planet are utilised for the good of all, where a person staving to death is seen as a failure of humanity to provide for its own. If you consider these basic principles to be repugnant, then to print what I truly think of you, would be to break the rules of this site to a such a degree that I would never be allowed back, insulting you however gratifying it may be is not worth consequences.

There was a point where I thought the discussion here was healthy or productive, but as its gone on the lines are getting crossed - in both directions, to be completely fair. I am locking this thread for that reason.