The flaw in the concept of heaven

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heaven is the after party to a amazing life that God has given to you. It will be the paradise that youd always wanted with people you miss people you love things of that nature. And when you die no matter what the circumstance you spend eternity with God. And he still loves the people that lose others or the people that take their life. God knows that sometimes life can be rough but he is with you every single step of the way. That my friends is the real heaven. And for those of you that would argue how can God do this this and that. But man God shows his LOVE in unusual ways but eventually it will get to your head. That God was the first to love you and God will always be with you.

That's still just wild speculation. You're making things up and tossing around wild guesses without any factual basis, or even a clear definition of the energy you're speaking of. The only observable energy involved in making us who we are is the impulses in our brains. Without the living brain and without the specific patterns in which these impulses can happen, this "energy" is not really any more special than the energy that makes a balloon attract hair after rubbing against fabric. Do balloons have eternal souls too?

Since there is no animal on earth with perfect perception, why would you assume that humans have it? It's not speculation. I've experienced plenty of hallucinations which prove to me that there is a higher reality. ;P

That does pose an interesting issue for human knowledge. I mean, "hallucinations" are relatively common among otherwise normal individuals. I don't think that most hallucinations have been found to agree with each other to an extent we'd expect with more standard ways of knowing things. But it seems very likely and probable that some human beings will find hallucinations to be good sources of knowledge. Of course, it seems that other individuals will label such things to be absurd and be reasonable to do so....

So, in short, people are crazy, and so long as you don't blame me for that fact, Magnus, I won't blame you.

That's not a problem, as you do not exist and there is no such thing as a person.

There have been plenty of people who believe in the after life. If enough people have hallucinations about God, maybe there is something more to it. You can dissect a brain, but you can't dissect a psyche. Just because the energy in a brain doesn't die, the brain will decay and turn back into some other form of matter.

I doubt heaven is some concrete place where we continue to live as we are, still intact of our personality. I wouldn't want to live like this forever anyway. It would get boring. I like to think that when we die, we penetrate everything and perhaps we gravitate toward similar energy fields to continue to spiral toward the infinite mind.

Since I have never had a hallucination I cannot view the matter with any authority but the very definition of a hallucination is that it is a false perception so I have to maintain very strong doubts as to any conclusions out of that no matter how many people have had brain disorders.

And you expect this to happen while some form of consciousness is still intact, without the structure that according to all scientific observation and logic is essential for a consciousness to exist and function as a system? Well, all I can say is good luck with that.

The flaw I found in Heaven came when I was quoting a section of Genesis to someone, and realized that it describes Earth as being in the expanse God created "between the waters below and the waters above."

Heaven is underwater!! !

Everybody bring your snorkels...

You hallucinate every night when you dream. Healthy minds know the difference between hallucinations and objective reality. There is much that can be learned from dreams, just like there is much to be learned from hallucinations. There is also much to be learned from the imagination. The imagination shapes reality. The imagination is subjective, however it is real to some extent. Just because the imagination cannot be dissected doesn't mean it's not there.

Thank you for reading this...sorry for being so redundant...

Yeah.... well, I still keep holding to these concepts, despite the fact that I should know better. I think the reason I keep on thinking I am a person is because I am not. If I was a person, then instructing myself that I wasn't would be more straightforward.

I cannot state what you do when you dream but I certainly do not hallucinate when I dream as I never confuse reality with my dreams. A hallucination is an imposition of a mental misinterpretation over reality and nobody claimed imagination is not there. It is just understood as a separate brain function.

One of the Mars rovers has a broken Wheel.
It might die soon.
But it's spirit will live here on earth, in the scientist who remote controls it,
and has seen through it's cameras.

A spirit of a dreamer is in a place that is not on earth.

THERE IS A LOT OF WATER IN HEAVEN.
On ALL the other planets. The Moon. Comets. Jupiter's moons.
The whole universe seems to be a sonoluminescent bubble.*
The COBE image of the deepest space looks
the same to me as a thermal image of a pond in a breeze.

* "And God moved upon the face of the deep/waters..."
- "And God said LET THERE BE LIGHT"

You should step outside a space capsule in orbit sometime, naked and eager for a dive into the vacuum. You'd be surprised how welcoming it would be.

I wish I hadn't clicked on this thread and seen that cartoon but I did and now I can't un-see it. That cartoon is my worst nightmare. My daughter takes things very literally and this cartoon is why I watch my words very carefully when I talk about death to her. Her grandparents and many others talk about heaven to her all the time and they make it sound like a really great place to go. She is so literal that I am often in fear of this very thing happening.

I don't know if you're serious but the obvious solution is to tell her about original sin so she can expect to land in Hell. Or at least the stinky parts of New Jersey.