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24 Jan 2010, 12:49 am

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I am not fond of shooting fish in a barrel.

Do you enjoy shooting fish outside of the barrel? I am just curious as I think that fish-shooting is a rare practice.



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24 Jan 2010, 1:27 am

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I am not fond of shooting fish in a barrel.

Do you enjoy shooting fish outside of the barrel? I am just curious as I think that fish-shooting is a rare practice.


When light passes from air to water or in the other direction images are displaced so one must compensate and that is a highly skillful procedure. Any ordinary marksman would have only disdain for anyone shooting fish in a barrel, in a plastic bag or in the back pocket of someone who just stole a live fish. Although in the latter case the fish would be delighted if the shot were slightly off target.



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24 Jan 2010, 1:57 am

Here's a story. My grandfather died and then a few years later my grandmother's rather scary dog died. A few weeks after the dog died, this elderly Italian Jehovah's Witness (who was petrified of the dog) saw his opportunity to spread the gospel to my Italian grandmother who is hard of hearing and has dimentia. He actually told her once that my grandfather was in hell- but that's another story-

Anyhow one day I got there and he was inside her house - looking through her things - and I said what are you doing? He said talking about the bible. He told me I was a sinner - I don't even know the guy - and that I worship a false God - Jesus.

He proceeded to point out that Jesus wasn't part of the Holy Trinity. For about half an hour he continued accusing me of things before I finally came up with an argument. I asked him if he had seen the movie Superman. He said no. And I said in the movie, Jor-El sends his only begotten son to Earth to help mankind. And there's a great line from Superman...

You will travel far, my little Kal-El. But we will never leave you... even in the face of our deaths. You will make my strength your own. See my life through your own eyes, as your life will be seen through mine. The son becomes the father, and the father...the son.

The JW has never come back.



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24 Jan 2010, 1:58 am

Sand wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Sand wrote:
I am not fond of shooting fish in a barrel.

Do you enjoy shooting fish outside of the barrel? I am just curious as I think that fish-shooting is a rare practice.


When light passes from air to water or in the other direction images are displaced so one must compensate and that is a highly skillful procedure. Any ordinary marksman would have only disdain for anyone shooting fish in a barrel, in a plastic bag or in the back pocket of someone who just stole a live fish. Although in the latter case the fish would be delighted if the shot were slightly off target.


Hydraulic compression kills the fish as long as the bullet enters the water in a barrel.


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24 Jan 2010, 2:01 am

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Sand wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Sand wrote:
I am not fond of shooting fish in a barrel.

Do you enjoy shooting fish outside of the barrel? I am just curious as I think that fish-shooting is a rare practice.


When light passes from air to water or in the other direction images are displaced so one must compensate and that is a highly skillful procedure. Any ordinary marksman would have only disdain for anyone shooting fish in a barrel, in a plastic bag or in the back pocket of someone who just stole a live fish. Although in the latter case the fish would be delighted if the shot were slightly off target.


Hydraulic compression kills the fish as long as the bullet enters the water in a barrel.


Jeez you can be a bloody pedant :lol:


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24 Jan 2010, 2:36 am

Stop talking about killing fish! I have a fish only three meters from here and I'd prefer it if he wasn't shot! Although, he's in an aquarium, not a barrel.

By the way? What does "shooting fish in a barrel" mean?

Anyway, I think that the bible is utter crap, not worthy of use as toilet paper let alone evidence in a real argument.

Actually, my sisters boyfriend said something like that that when they were all handed bibles by some Christian missionary at school. "Thanks, I needed some more toilet paper." It was an amusing story to me...



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24 Jan 2010, 2:51 am

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Stop talking about killing fish! I have a fish only three meters from here and I'd prefer it if he wasn't shot! Although, he's in an aquarium, not a barrel.

By the way? What does "shooting fish in a barrel" mean?

Anyway, I think that the bible is utter crap, not worthy of use as toilet paper let alone evidence in a real argument.

Actually, my sisters boyfriend said something like that that when they were all handed bibles by some Christian missionary at school. "Thanks, I needed some more toilet paper." It was an amusing story to me...


The King James version is one of the most beautifully written books in the language. Unfortunately that's not why it's circulated.



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24 Jan 2010, 3:21 am

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The King James version is one of the most beautifully written books in the language. Unfortunately that's not why it's circulated.


It is also a sh*tty translation of the Hebrew and Aramaic. I prefer -The Silmarilion- by J.R.R.Tolkien

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24 Jan 2010, 4:29 am

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By the way? What does "shooting fish in a barrel" mean?


As both Sand and Fuzzy have already alluded to. Shooting fish in a barrel of water is easy, it requires no skill. So in an argument or debate to say 'this is like shooting fish in a barrel' would mean that your opponents arguments were far to easy to dispute and it required only a fraction of your intellect to defeat them.


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24 Jan 2010, 4:38 am

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By the way? What does "shooting fish in a barrel" mean?


It alludes that a task is so simple that it is impossible to fail.


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24 Jan 2010, 7:59 am

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:

The King James version is one of the most beautifully written books in the language. Unfortunately that's not why it's circulated.


It is also a sh*tty translation of the Hebrew and Aramaic. I prefer -The Silmarilion- by J.R.R.Tolkien

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So do I, perhaps I should worship Illuvatar...

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As both Sand and Fuzzy have already alluded to. Shooting fish in a barrel of water is easy, it requires no skill. So in an argument or debate to say 'this is like shooting fish in a barrel' would mean that your opponents arguments were far to easy to dispute and it required only a fraction of your intellect to defeat them.


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It alludes that a task is so simple that it is impossible to fail.


Thanks for the help. I have trouble with phrases like that. I don't often understand them unless told what they mean in literal terms.



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24 Jan 2010, 12:44 pm

I wonder what the reason is for taking the bible over science, there must be a far bit of brain washing before hand. If you gave the bible to someone who'd never heard of it or the christian faith they'd probably laugh, and wonder how the hell do people believe this stuff. It amazes how people actually become a Mormon because I think (if I remember correctly) the book of Mormon was only written less than 200 years ago, just think how much it would take to convince even the average person on the street to believe and follow it. This book seems to have been written by one man who claimed to have visited by an angel who produced magic tablets with the text on them, now of course the angel took them back afterwords so there's no evidence to back his story. The man was obviously very ill or very clever especially if he died a rich man, this book has literally been made from scratch and very obviously at that! but yet people follow. Is it the case that these people ignore the fact that these books are obviously dubious just because need to feel apart of a group, that they need something to comfort them. What the bible essentially does is offer eternity in paradise all you have to do is behave yourself, is it really as simple as that. Is it all just a tool to control people and keep them in manageable groups.



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24 Jan 2010, 12:51 pm

ruveyn wrote:
It is also a sh*tty translation of the Hebrew and Aramaic. I prefer -The Silmarilion- by J.R.R.Tolkien

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Is The Silmarilion a better interpretation?



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24 Jan 2010, 1:58 pm

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Well, if the bible is not going to be the authority, what book, person, or wisdom do you suggest be consulted?


First, welcome to WP!

The question of this thread is about "the bible" being used as evidence to support the existence of a god.

No collection of books could ever do that as well as the evidence surrounding us.


Thanks for the welcome!

Now in response to your comment, you are in agreement with the Bible. In fact, the Romans, Chapter 2 references how inexcusable it is for people not to recognize God’s qualities that are so cleanly seen.

So, yes, there are other bodies of works that expound on and support the Bible in addition to what our five senses reveal.



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24 Jan 2010, 2:17 pm

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Well, if the bible is not going to be the authority, what book, person, or wisdom do you suggest be consulted? Or should we just make it up as we go along? Do what ever we feel?

When Jehovah asks the Israelites for their exclusive devotion, they said yes. He provided them with laws and purpose that if followed, would mean peace and prosperity. Over time, they chose other gods and other ways of life that put them in direct opposition with their God Jehovah.

In other words, just like most of these comments, the Israelites, chose to ignore the law covenant (God’s word). It was too restrictive, to confining, and not in step with what was going on around them. They were so determine to live their own lives; they would put God’s prophets to death. The Law became foolish to them.

Toady, the Bible has become foolish to many people for a variety of reason, but mainly because people want to decide for themselves right and wrong. The bible is in more household worldwide than any other single piece of literature, and yet seldom read let alone studied.

None of us created ourselves. Therefore, while we have the free will to choose for ourselves, we do not have the right to operate outside the creator’s design.

The Bible is Jehovah’s primary tools used to help honest hearted people to have an accurate knowledge of who they are, why they are here, and what the future holds.

This is why the Witnesses rely on the Bible (God’s wisdom) and not their own wisdom.


The alternative works very well. We make it up as we go along. That's called science.



Without a doubt science has originated many helpful devices and has expanded our knowledge of ourselves, environment, and the universe. But while science has helped with some problems, it has created many others. And there are many things that the Bible states that science can not explain or duplicate e.g., conception, creating human life from scratches, the brain, creation and the sustaining of stars in the universe.


Although the Bible was not written as a scientific treatise, where it touches on things scientific, it does not conflict with the facts. However, it does conflict with some of the unproved theories and speculations of men such as evolution.



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24 Jan 2010, 2:25 pm

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Now in response to your comment, you are in agreement with the Bible. In fact, the Romans, Chapter 2 references how inexcusable it is for people not to recognize God’s qualities that are so cleanly seen.

So, yes, there are other bodies of works that expound on and support the Bible in addition to what our five senses reveal.

You mean Romans 1:20, don't you? Romans 2 mostly talks about ethics, and the only part that relates to unbelievers that I see is Romans 2:14-15, which is about how morality is written on the hearts of all men.