Rush Limbaugh to go to Costa Rica if Obamacare passes
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I had a funny feeling, I was telling a coworker today, that if our government really went European that most of the capitalists - rather than just banking in the Carribean, would likely expatriate to places like Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, and bring their money there.
Costa Rica's damn nice though - pristine beaches, the government doesn't let people build on them to keep it that way (or at least all land there is leased from the government). Roatan's supposed to be another really nice place these days for fat cats to retire - supposedly some people are trying to buy that off of Honduras?
So yeah - I would because Rush and Costa Rica sounds like a win-win scenario.
Costa Rica's damn nice though - pristine beaches, the government doesn't let people build on them to keep it that way (or at least all land there is leased from the government). Roatan's supposed to be another really nice place these days for fat cats to retire - supposedly some people are trying to buy that off of Honduras?
So yeah - I would because Rush and Costa Rica sounds like a win-win scenario.
Puerto Rico's a U.S. Territory, so they might be under Obamacare as well. Same goes for the U.S. Virgin Islands.
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Tim_Tex wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I had a funny feeling, I was telling a coworker today, that if our government really went European that most of the capitalists - rather than just banking in the Carribean, would likely expatriate to places like Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, and bring their money there.
Costa Rica's damn nice though - pristine beaches, the government doesn't let people build on them to keep it that way (or at least all land there is leased from the government). Roatan's supposed to be another really nice place these days for fat cats to retire - supposedly some people are trying to buy that off of Honduras?
So yeah - I would because Rush and Costa Rica sounds like a win-win scenario.
Costa Rica's damn nice though - pristine beaches, the government doesn't let people build on them to keep it that way (or at least all land there is leased from the government). Roatan's supposed to be another really nice place these days for fat cats to retire - supposedly some people are trying to buy that off of Honduras?
So yeah - I would because Rush and Costa Rica sounds like a win-win scenario.
Puerto Rico's a U.S. Territory, so they might be under Obamacare as well. Same goes for the U.S. Virgin Islands.
I'd have to wonder, if being a territory means riding in the back seat figuatively - if they had enough of a problem would the U.S. let them slide? Could they cut their 'territory status?'. I'd like to think Luis Fortuno has the means to work with that somehow.
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pandabear wrote:
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If Republicans stop Obamacare, would anyone care to
join me {and fellow members} in Canada?
join me {and fellow members} in Canada?
Have you checked the immigration requirements for Canada? Most of us could not get in.
Why not?
Because Canadians think that the privilege of becoming Canadian requires a high positive net contribution to society.
People should be healthy, socially adjusted and educated. You need to fit in to the work force so that you contribute taxes for several years before you retire. Having children that will contribute also contributes positively to your entrance score. Disabled children of working adults CAN come to Canada and become citizens. There is also a family reunification plan, allowing the aged parents of new Canadians to join them on our soil.
I'll just quote something, ok?
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Skilled Worker
The Skilled Worker class, or points system as it is commonly referred to, is the most popular class. Applicants are awarded points for age, education, work experience and English and/or French ability. Although not a requirement, points can be granted for 'arranged employment' in Canada or if you are currently working in Canada on a qualifying work permit.
Further points may be awarded for 'adaptability' factors including your partner's qualifications, or if you or your partner have studied in Canada for at least two years, or have family in Canada (parent, grandparent, aunt, uncle, sister, brother, niece, nephew, child or grandchild).
The objective is to achieve the pass mark. Applicants with the greatest likelihood of success are those:
- With tertiary qualifications (i.e. post-secondary school), for instance a diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship, bachelors degree, masters degree or PhD
- With a high level of proficiency in English and/or French
- In a position to claim maximum points for relevant work experience
- Aged 21-49
- The ability to claim points for adaptability
All applicants must have at least 12 months of post-graduation work experience in an occupation listed as Skill Type O or Skill Level A or B on the National Occupations Classification.
The Skilled Worker class, or points system as it is commonly referred to, is the most popular class. Applicants are awarded points for age, education, work experience and English and/or French ability. Although not a requirement, points can be granted for 'arranged employment' in Canada or if you are currently working in Canada on a qualifying work permit.
Further points may be awarded for 'adaptability' factors including your partner's qualifications, or if you or your partner have studied in Canada for at least two years, or have family in Canada (parent, grandparent, aunt, uncle, sister, brother, niece, nephew, child or grandchild).
The objective is to achieve the pass mark. Applicants with the greatest likelihood of success are those:
- With tertiary qualifications (i.e. post-secondary school), for instance a diploma, trade certificate or apprenticeship, bachelors degree, masters degree or PhD
- With a high level of proficiency in English and/or French
- In a position to claim maximum points for relevant work experience
- Aged 21-49
- The ability to claim points for adaptability
All applicants must have at least 12 months of post-graduation work experience in an occupation listed as Skill Type O or Skill Level A or B on the National Occupations Classification.
So right there.. that makes it harder than the states.
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Family
There is also the family class route of migration for those who have qualifying relatives in Canada who are willing and eligible to sponsor them. Sponsors must be Canadian citizens or permanent residents; spouse, common-law or conjugal partners; dependent child, parent or grandparent; an orphaned brother, sister, niece, nephew or grandchild (under 19); and any relative if the Canadian sponsor does not have another close relative who is in Canada or who can be sponsored to come to Canada. The most common type of family class application is for those who are married or engaged to a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.
There is also the family class route of migration for those who have qualifying relatives in Canada who are willing and eligible to sponsor them. Sponsors must be Canadian citizens or permanent residents; spouse, common-law or conjugal partners; dependent child, parent or grandparent; an orphaned brother, sister, niece, nephew or grandchild (under 19); and any relative if the Canadian sponsor does not have another close relative who is in Canada or who can be sponsored to come to Canada. The most common type of family class application is for those who are married or engaged to a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.
But once you are here, its easier to get your (extended) family on our soil.
Business/entrepreneur entrance is even tougher. It isnt enough to be rich. Your presence has to help others, not just pay your own way.
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Business
Applicants are divided into three subcategories: Self-employed, Entrepreneur and Investor. As the name suggests, the Self-Employed class is suitable for self-employed business persons who do not necessarily intend to employ other persons in their business. This class is limited to farmers and applicants who will be of cultural, artistic or sporting value to Canada.
There are no minimum capital or past ownership requirements, but applicants must prepare a viable, well-researched business proposal and possess sufficient funds and acceptable experience to establish or purchase the proposed business in Canada. Past self-employment, though not strictly required, is considered an asset. There is also a requirement to meet the 'pass mark'.
Under the Entrepreneur class, you must have experience in a qualifying business for a specified period. Applicants must also possess a net worth of at least C$300,000. On arrival in Canada, there is a requirement to establish or purchase a business enterprise and provide active and ongoing management of that business within three years.
Your business must create at least one new full-time job for a Canadian and meet other requirements of a 'qualifying business'. There is also a requirement to meet the pass mark.
Applicants under the Investor Class must possess a total net worth of at least C$800,000 and invest C$400,000 of this amount with the Canadian Receiver General for five years. Although the fund is government guaranteed, no interest is payable.
Applicants must prove that the funds have been generated through their own business initiative and that they have previously managed either five full-time staff for at least two years or owned a share in the business they have managed for at least two years in the five years prior to applying.
If you do not wish to undertake an investment, an alternative is to establish a loan arrangement with a Canadian bank, whereby the amount to be invested is borrowed. Under this option, it is still necessary to possess an overall net worth of C$800,000. The downside of this option is that you must pay the interest charges accumulated over the five-year term.
The main advantages of the investor class are that you do not need to actively own and operate a business and you are issued with permanent residence immediately upon approval.
All applicants must satisfy health, police, character and credibility checks, and a range of other criteria.
Applicants are divided into three subcategories: Self-employed, Entrepreneur and Investor. As the name suggests, the Self-Employed class is suitable for self-employed business persons who do not necessarily intend to employ other persons in their business. This class is limited to farmers and applicants who will be of cultural, artistic or sporting value to Canada.
There are no minimum capital or past ownership requirements, but applicants must prepare a viable, well-researched business proposal and possess sufficient funds and acceptable experience to establish or purchase the proposed business in Canada. Past self-employment, though not strictly required, is considered an asset. There is also a requirement to meet the 'pass mark'.
Under the Entrepreneur class, you must have experience in a qualifying business for a specified period. Applicants must also possess a net worth of at least C$300,000. On arrival in Canada, there is a requirement to establish or purchase a business enterprise and provide active and ongoing management of that business within three years.
Your business must create at least one new full-time job for a Canadian and meet other requirements of a 'qualifying business'. There is also a requirement to meet the pass mark.
Applicants under the Investor Class must possess a total net worth of at least C$800,000 and invest C$400,000 of this amount with the Canadian Receiver General for five years. Although the fund is government guaranteed, no interest is payable.
Applicants must prove that the funds have been generated through their own business initiative and that they have previously managed either five full-time staff for at least two years or owned a share in the business they have managed for at least two years in the five years prior to applying.
If you do not wish to undertake an investment, an alternative is to establish a loan arrangement with a Canadian bank, whereby the amount to be invested is borrowed. Under this option, it is still necessary to possess an overall net worth of C$800,000. The downside of this option is that you must pay the interest charges accumulated over the five-year term.
The main advantages of the investor class are that you do not need to actively own and operate a business and you are issued with permanent residence immediately upon approval.
All applicants must satisfy health, police, character and credibility checks, and a range of other criteria.
You might be an aspie... if you answer a "why not?" with several pages of data points.
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Fuzzy wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Orwell wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
If Republicans stop Obamacare, would anyone care to
join me {and fellow members} in Canada?
join me {and fellow members} in Canada?
Have you checked the immigration requirements for Canada? Most of us could not get in.
Why not?
Because Canadians think that the privilege of becoming Canadian requires a high positive net contribution to society.
I was looking at your points system. It's extremely difficult to immigrate to Canada unless you already have a job lined up- even highly educated skilled workers aren't allowed to just show up.
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I was looking at your points system. It's extremely difficult to immigrate to Canada unless you already have a job lined up- even highly educated skilled workers aren't allowed to just show up.
Of course not. Highly educated and skilled workers should have little problem lining up a potential employer. In theory.
In fact, the provinces have programs that connect the two. As you have seen, coming here for school or short term work helps a lot.
I'm quite pleased that the average fundamentalist minister would have a hard time scoring enough points.
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davidred wrote...
I installed Ubuntu once and it completely destroyed my paying relationship with Microsoft.
Fuzzy wrote:
the Self-Employed class is suitable for self-employed business persons who do not necessarily intend to employ other persons in their business. This class is limited to farmers and applicants who will be of cultural, artistic or sporting value to Canada.
Sporting value
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You must have a dearth of unskilled people to pick vegetables. Cheap Mexican labour gives the USA a big advantage in agriculture.
Also, it doesn't look like Canada is especially welcoming of retirees, unlike countries like Mexico and Costa Rica.
Of course, someone from another country would be nuts to consider moving to the USA for the purpose of retiring.
pandabear wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
the Self-Employed class is suitable for self-employed business persons who do not necessarily intend to employ other persons in their business. This class is limited to farmers and applicants who will be of cultural, artistic or sporting value to Canada.
Sporting value
![Shocked 8O](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
I do believe that refers to athletes rather than hunting.
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You must have a dearth of unskilled people to pick vegetables.
You either made a strange joke or you just spoke something perhaps endemic to American thinking. It quite boggled my mind to read it. The suggestion being that it is necessary to use large scale unskilled labour to profitably harvest.
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Cheap Mexican labour gives the USA a big advantage in agriculture.
Does it? I cant think of any large Canadian vegetable crops that are harvested in this way. The bulk of our national production is sold to the states, so if you guys could do it cheaper... you would? And then you wouldnt buy it from us.
Incidentally my family just became engaged in growing Rhodiola (which has medicinal value, rather than being food), and even our small crop of several acres will be partially mechanized, We only need the root portion of the plant.
Your statement is very strange. Is it common to eschew investing in equipment in favor of extra labor? Are the crop owners hide-bound in traditional ways?
Potatoes, carrots, cabbage, lettuce, celery, corn, cucumbers, peppers, and peas.. I have seen them all mechanically harvested. Peas of course are a sort of bean.. or close to it anyway. What gives?
The fruit crops like apples and pears are picked by hand but with assistive reach tools, and small things like berries and cherries are hand picked, but those are never large crops. Certain things like cranberries can be machine picked too. Grapes for wine are hand picked, but that is almost skilled labor, and vintners expect perfection anyway.
I would think that Oranges too would be hardy enough to use some sort of machine to snatch them out of the trees.
We have Mexicans come here to work, and they generally enter skilled trade programs if they dont qualify for something else. These made the news because the conditions by which they made easy entry into Canada forbade them to seek other employment. They were contracted to the government to remain with their sponsor employer(which isnt typical).
When the recession happened, lay offs put them out of work. As foreign workers their jobs were favoured for elimination over equally skilled Canadians. This left them in a rather tricky legal situation. I believe it was resolved through community charity until the government released them from their contractual limitations.
Incidentally, we weathered the recession pretty well. Canada is one of the only countries that had no bank failures. Banking laws forbid the sort of mortgage shenanigans that you guys suffered. What hurt us is that you guys suddenly stopped buying goods.
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davidred wrote...
I installed Ubuntu once and it completely destroyed my paying relationship with Microsoft.
We have large numbers of Mexicans who follow the harvest seasons across the country.
I remember a few years ago Colorado agriculture was suffering because the state government was trying to clamp down on illegal workers. I don't know how things panned out, but I suspect that things loosened up again. Otherwise, agriculture would have come to an end in Colorado.
I hope Rush does not let the door hit his arse on the way out.
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