UK General Election 2010

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05 Apr 2010, 5:33 pm

I'm not sure who I would vote for, I play little attention to politics here and know even less about their politics. Perhaps one of the "underdogs."

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labour is now "new labour" ie rather right wing and conservative. it is really rather unfortunate that the UK is basically a two party state

Australia's not that different, you have the Liberals and Labour, it's always one of those who wins in the end. The Greens have started doing well, but not well enough to stand any real chance against the other two. Most Third Parties aren't even worth mentioning. In the recent state election we had there was a party called "Save the Unborn". Their entire party was based around one issue.

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06 Apr 2010, 1:04 pm

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labour is now "new labour" ie rather right wing and conservative...

Not really. There's a hardcore Marxist element within the Labour movement and some of the senior figures have been paid-up Communist party members at one time or another. God knows why anyone would want to vote for them. Many, going on their track record in office, are nothing but traitors who would be best exiled to one of the third-world dumps from which they've imported the million plus immigrants that are destroying our country. The Liberal Democrats are archetypal limp-wristed wooly-shirted Guardian-reading liberals who from their leafy suburbs, a safe distance from the "culturally enriched" inner-city slums, assuage their middle-class guilt with talk of "fairness" and "equality". Most of them would be best sent the same way. As for the Conservatives, they have unfortunately moved to the left over the years, and Cameron will not say a word that may upset the millions of people who are here and get the vote who should have never been let in to this country in the first place.

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06 Apr 2010, 3:27 pm

ascan wrote:

conan wrote:

labour is now "new labour" ie rather right wing and conservative...

Sorry, aren't you just trying to say that all politicians are bastards?

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06 Apr 2010, 4:03 pm

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It is somewhat a problem here in Scotland as our parliament has a number of popular parties. We have a coalition government just now with SNP and Green Party. Last year, Scottish Labour made a protest against SNP by getting together with Scottish Conservative and Scottish Liberal Democrats to vote against the budget, causing it to be delayed and costing millions of pounds.

The "coalition" system allows the parties to be divided into two camps (government and opposition) but this is of course unstable as not everyone in the coalition shares the same ideals, making the eventual collapse of coalition inevitable.

I am not familiar with the particulars of British or Scottish politics. I assume your Green party is the same as everyone else's Green party. Are SNP the Scottish Nationalists/devolutionists? Presumably the Liberal Democrats are some form of social democrats. Where do the Scottish Conservatives fit in?

The Green Party are similar to others, yes. SNP is the Scottish National Party; thought to never have any success and they won the last election. Yes, Liberal Democrats have many social democratic policies. They are generally quite good at coming up with policies that makes sense, but in politics, that means very little. They also have some green ideas and also believe in better educational support for those with ASDs and other "hidden disabilities". Scottish Conservatives, like the other Scottish equivalents, have close ties with their UK colleagues in Westminster, however, they are generally more left wing than the UK Conservative Party because support for them in Scotland almost completely diminished after the Thatcher years when she introduced the "Poll Tax" in Scotland only.

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06 Apr 2010, 4:06 pm

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Lest the new Labour Party is taken over by its "Socalist Campaign" rump, I'd vote for the Liberal Democrats in many cases. Assuming, of course, the Liberal Democrat was a member of the "Beveridge Group" faction. I'd vote Labour if the politician was a member of the Labour Left, especially the "Socalist Campaign".

A lot of Labour back benchers are still quite left wing but the cabinet are almost as right wing as the Conservatives now. If I was in England, I would probably vote tactically to keep the Conservatives out.

as far as i'm aware you will get a vote in the general election. afterall scotland is not completely devolved.

i might vote lib dem but i really don't want the conservatives in. i just hate that politics becomes such a pr war instead of actually doing stuff. has anyboyd seen the thick of it? Truely brilliant program and i believe there is a lot of truth to it.

I mean I do not feel the need to tactically vote against the Conservative Party. And, in that case, I certainly would not vote for the Labour Party.

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06 Apr 2010, 4:14 pm

Obgeektor wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

rmgh wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

Where the Labour candidate was Rightwing I would vote Liberal Democrat if the Lib Dem was a member of the Beveridge Group. Where the Liberal Democrat were rightwing, I would vote for a Labour candidate. Where both were intolerably to the Right, I would vote RESPECT.

I generally vote Lib Dem as I like the`idea of supporting the underdog and to me it's a vote against deadlocked two-party politics. That, and they have some good policies and seem more sensible. I need to educate myself a bit more on the issues that you have pointed out above. Thanks.

Many people don't seem to think to vote for the Liberal Democrats, even if they agree with their policies. I think, however, they may stand a better chance now as people begin to realise how similar the main two parties are.

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06 Apr 2010, 4:21 pm

rmgh wrote:

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rmgh wrote:

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I might investigate and help out my local candidate then. If they're worth voting for.

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06 Apr 2010, 6:32 pm

not labour or tory.. end of.

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06 Apr 2010, 10:10 pm

LibDems have unfortunately been flirting with German Free Democratic-style nonsense. They may have been interesting because of their taking the anti-Iraq war mantle last time but this time...

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07 Apr 2010, 3:03 am

rmgh wrote:

The Green Party are similar to others...

I saw one of their representatives being interviewed recently, and she made Red Ken look like a right-wing militant. They are full-on Marxists who shouldn't be let anywhere near government.

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07 Apr 2010, 3:07 am

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Sorry, aren't you just trying to say that all politicians are bastards?

I'm not trying to do anything, just telling it as it is. And there's no need to apologise to me.

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07 Apr 2010, 7:31 am

ascan wrote:

conan wrote:

labour is now "new labour" ie rather right wing and conservative...

Many, going on their track record in office, are nothing but traitors who would be best exiled to one of the third-world dumps from which they've imported the million plus immigrants that are destroying our country.

and in what way is it that they are destroying "our" country?

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07 Apr 2010, 12:34 pm

I want Labour to win, but only so the Conservatives stay out of government. There's really no ideal party for me here--New Labour has become quite right-wing and the Lib Dems will probably never win, and are not perfect anyway.

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07 Apr 2010, 6:06 pm

I don't think any of the parties in the UK are any good. So when I do eventually get the right to vote next year I'm not gonna bother. I mean what's the point when the out of the two main parties who'll probably get in are basically the same.

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09 Apr 2010, 5:24 am

The result may possibly turn out to be a hung parliament. We've never had that before have we?

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09 Apr 2010, 5:31 am

In British politics aren't the "Liberal Democrats" actually the morally conservative party and the Labour Party the morally liberal socialists?

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