Do you believe in GOD?

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Not really, the "magic" is palpable as the idea is silly.


A lot of ideas are consistent with historical facts, but that doesn't mean that they aren't magic or ridiculous.

The natural processes of aliens aren't a huge improvement, ruveyn, particularly given that the motives for these aliens are lacking, the technology they'd have to use is considered impossible, and so many other things.

I mean, the fact that you are asserting "it is founded on natural processes" really just reflects that you are biased against magic rather than absurdity. I am against absurdity, therefore I am against magic and aliens, but you just somehow are weirdly attached to "natural processes", but the absurdity of a matter really isn't an issue to you, because you think that Spock came down to teach the Jews things, such as how to burn goat fat, and not to mix fabrics.

From my perspective I would say that an assertion like that such as alien influences seems to be a great insult to human progress, because it removes all the credit from mankind and gives it to some imaginary beings. Yes, aliens in this context, are imaginary beings.

What credit? Assuming humans did EVERYTHING is a far bigger insult. If humans are the sole reason for war, bigotry, and ignorance, then do you really want the credit? I'd much rather pass the buck to aliens than my ancestors.

Yes.

Just nonsense. The 2700 years between is longer than the time between the end of the 'golden period' and the modern time. Even longer if you take the Maya culture into account. You haven't demonstrated your idea of natural law to be anything more than sloppy definitions.

A simpler explanation for the change is due to the introduction of farming. As more people live close together, they found that they need rules to sort out their conflicts. Philosophy developed as people have more time to think and can find neighbors to discuss.

The whole point of his explanation was to identify a source for all the coincidences. Why did a whole world of people suddenly becoming farmers, at exactly the same time, without communication? There is no "rational" explanation. It actually makes ETs look plausible. Or is there a better theory than ETs or coincidence.

No coincidence exist. It took another thousands of years for the technique to spread in Euro-Asia.

p.s. All the worlds wheat species come from one place in west Asia.

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yes, why? look around you.
though i shall not get into a fruitless arguement

Those are social rules which fit more into religious modalities than rational modalities.

Why "all of a sudden" did the Ionian Greeks give up the arbitrary whim of the gods and replace it with principles and rules. It could have been unassisted progress or it could have been external influences. Homo Sapien Sapien has been around for at least 150,000 years and probably closer to 250,000 to 300,000 years. Why after 100,000 plus years did our species all of a sudden become brighter? We probably will never know for sure. My purely speculative hypothesis fits the facts but so do a lot of other explanations.

ruveyn

The ETs are right next door. I don't get why people constantly deny their existence. They are only a few planets away from us. At max. Some people claim that the environments on neighboring planets can't suit life, which is just absurd. Life exists where ever chemical chain reactions can occur. This is pretty much every planet in are solar system excluding ones that can't hold an atmosphere.

You keep refuting his argument with what's basically just your opinion. "That's silly to me because it sounds silly and reminds me of magic, therefore it's absurd." While I find his idea implausible, it's nowhere near as ridiculous as saying it came about because of magic.

No one can prove that hypothesis, but I've talked to several people in the outer fringe of the internet who do think Aspies have alien/hybrid DNA. DO I believe that? No idea. Someone would have to prove to me that aliens exist first.



God exists. I can't prove it, but I feel that it's true. IMO, God isn't an ancient old man up in heaven on a cloud. He is the Superforce that binds all the particles in the universe together, transcending time and every conceivable dimension. This superforce is sentient and constant, like an open phone line. He is the universe's lowest common denominator. God is, quite literally, the energy that binds together all that is. We exist at His behest, and in the moment that the very last one of us stops believing, then we will all cease to be.

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I don't believe in god and I don't think aliens have ever played a part in human development. The progress we took from nomadic to tribal to farming and civilization was very slow and probably happened over a period of about 10,000 years or so. I think the bible is evidence of intelectual thinking at the time it was written (however misguided). It is our only example of ancient literature. And just because of that people assign it a lot of truth.

The aliens theory is more plausable I suppose than a god. But why on earth would aliens want to come and help us develop? What is in it for them?

Firstly we didn't need any outside help to develop. It is what all of life does.

Why "all of the sudden" the Europeans began to study the world with scientific method instead of philosophical musing? Aliens again?

Besides there is no evidence for aliens, there is no evidence for our DNA being changed suddenly. How do you think the aliens can make us brighter?

Probably not. Given the "Ionian Revolution" i.e. substituting rules and principles in place of arbitrary god-whims, the European development of science was a logical extension. It would have happened somewhere else, if not in Europe.

ruveyn

Seeing aliens would only affirm people's believe in gods. Isn't the Ionian revolution heading the opposite direction?