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15 Jun 2010, 12:36 pm

You Are 32% Politically Radical
You've got a few unusual political ideas, but overall you're a pretty mainstream person. Chances are that you're turned off by both the radical right and looney left.


I identify myself as an independent with conservative ideas and buy into neither the radical right or the looney left.



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15 Jun 2010, 1:04 pm

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You Are 60% Politically Radical
You've got some radical viewpoints, but you aren't completely nuts. You're more of a visionary than a radical.

Ha! I beat you in radicalism!!

(Interestingly enough, part of the reason I didn't get higher was because I tend to question juries as a mechanism. Juries violate people's liberty. They are not very knowledgeable on the law. And to give these idiots the right to control laws so heavily is open to abuse, such as was seen in the South. I mean, in some sense, I can see giving the right to have courts overturn laws, but I distrust juries. Instead of juries, we need a polycentric legal system that functions more by arbitration and other efficient methods rather than our current kind of legal system.)


I don't think juries violate people's liberty at all. Juries are the final word in the application of justice. If you believe that a LAW is unjust, you don't have much recourse to change it because the Supreme Court isn't really that accessible for most situations, your congressman are too worried about their political careers, and there's very little that, say, 12 people on their own can really do to make much difference.

Put those 12 people on a jury, and you've got something. If someone is obviously guilty of a crime, but the laws that make it a crime are unfair, or the laws don't fairly take certain facts into consideration, the jury can find that the person is actually NOT guilty. That sets a legal precedent, and lawyers whether defense or prosecution can use that to prosecute/defend a person, effectively fighting an unjust law. If this kind of thing happens often enough, the laws will HAVE to be rewritten, struck down, or adjusted. Juries are perhaps the most powerful vehicle for democracy.



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15 Jun 2010, 1:51 pm

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I don't think juries violate people's liberty at all.

A right for you to be called away from your life to serve someone else's cause is a reduction of your freedom. That's pretty basic.

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Juries are the final word in the application of justice. If you believe that a LAW is unjust, you don't have much recourse to change it because the Supreme Court isn't really that accessible for most situations, your congressman are too worried about their political careers, and there's very little that, say, 12 people on their own can really do to make much difference.

Well, right, jury nullification has some value, but frankly, things work better if we had a better political structure, than if we just hope that the jury nullifies. I mean, the problem with this is that the jury can act in a manner to pervert justice, and perhaps more visibly than they maintain it. As it stands, having legal actors does not mean that these legal actors are going to feel as if they are bound by the strict interpretation of law to begin with, as we already know that the court system as it stands, revises the laws and their interpretation on the go. Because of this, why not leave the task to people more suited to know the basic structure of the law, and who have seen the flaws and all else more clearly?

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Juries are perhaps the most powerful vehicle for democracy.

I don't believe in democracy either.



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15 Jun 2010, 2:17 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
I don't think juries violate people's liberty at all.

A right for you to be called away from your life to serve someone else's cause is a reduction of your freedom. That's pretty basic.



Being on the hook for jury duty is a small price to pay for a fair trail. And there is always the possibility of jury nullification of unjust laws. I think jury duty is one of the few prices we have to pay for our citizenship.

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15 Jun 2010, 2:23 pm

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Being on the hook for jury duty is a small price to pay for a fair trail. And there is always the possibility of jury nullification of unjust laws. I think jury duty is one of the few prices we have to pay for our citizenship.

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Sure, but that does not mean that the current method of justice is the most efficient. I think better options can exist, as juries, despite their strengths, also have a lot of weaknesses, particularly in assessing statistical and scientific forms of evidence.



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18 Jun 2010, 3:36 pm

You Are 64% Politically Radical

You're political views are just plain weird. A little far left, a little far right, and a whole lot of radical.



Correct. 8)



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19 Jun 2010, 6:17 am

You Are 36% Politically Radical

You've got a few unusual political ideas, but overall you're a pretty mainstream person. Chances are that you're turned off by both the radical right and looney left.



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19 Jun 2010, 7:02 am

You Are 4% Politically Radical
You're a very traditional person and perhaps a little resistant to change. In a few more years, your beliefs will be so old fashioned that they'll be radical!

i have no opinion about any of the statements. i never think about those types of things, but i did agree with "People in authority usually don't know what they're talking about - and they should be questioned."



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19 Jun 2010, 8:35 am

You Are 48% Politically Radical
You've got some radical viewpoints, but you aren't completely nuts. You're more of a visionary than a radical.


Gotta agree with Orwell don't know how you really can score much higher on this without contradicting yourself.



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19 Jun 2010, 9:17 am

60 percent



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19 Jun 2010, 11:15 am

ruveyn wrote:
60 percent

you previously said 68%, so, as a small passage of time wore on, you became less radical?
that is a radical reduction.

radical means "centralized in origin" or "rooted in the direction of the radix" really.
radical means "within a radius" as far as i can see.

so radical does not mean "divorced from conservatism" in my opinion.

i may be wrong.
i may be crazy.
but i might just be a lunatic



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19 Jun 2010, 12:39 pm

56 %.

Bad wording on a lot of questions, very american-centred questions.

All drugs? what about some drugs?
What about if you are an anarchist?
What if you're an atheist, and believe organized religion should be illegal?

"Common Sense and tradition are usually wrong" was the one that really bugged me.
Common sense is usually right, tradition is usually wrong... how do you answer that? The question is obviously written by a right-radical it would seem, because this kinda implies that common sense and tradition are synonymous.

The "radical right and loony left" quote from the one range of percentages also kinda gives that away too.

I'm more radical than 56%, but just not in the ways the writer of that test cared about.



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19 Jun 2010, 3:56 pm

You Are 56% Politically Radical.

The questions are not so two dimensional to be suited for yes or no answers, and they only cover a few random topics.

I think the test at Political Compass is fairly well done.



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19 Jun 2010, 9:36 pm

b9 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
60 percent

you previously said 68%, so, as a small passage of time wore on, you became less radical?
that is a radical reduction.

radical means "centralized in origin" or "rooted in the direction of the radix" really.
radical means "within a radius" as far as i can see.

so radical does not mean "divorced from conservatism" in my opinion.

i may be wrong.
i may be crazy.
but i might just be a lunatic


I reconsidered some of the questions.

ruveyn



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23 Jun 2010, 12:56 pm

You Are 24% Politically Radical
You've got a few unusual political ideas, but overall you're a pretty mainstream person. Chances are that you're turned off by both the radical right and looney left.

Meh.



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23 Jun 2010, 3:54 pm

I got 38%, though it was clearly not a serious quiz (e.g. the vast majority of the questions were about social issues--nothing about the power of states and corporations etc. which I usually see as the major dividers in politics).