How Would You Amend the Constitution of the United States?

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Awesomelyglorious
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16 Jun 2010, 1:40 pm

I would want a Constitutional Amendment that says that all laws in the Constitution, including this law, are repealed.

Hmm.... I wonder if there is a better way to phrase what I want.



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16 Jun 2010, 2:29 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
I would want a Constitutional Amendment that says that all laws in the Constitution, including this law, are repealed.

Hmm.... I wonder if there is a better way to phrase what I want.


The dissolution of government amendment.


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16 Jun 2010, 2:29 pm

Just get rid of the Courts. At that point the guy in control of the greatest amount of force gets to call the shots.


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16 Jun 2010, 2:52 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
I would want a Constitutional Amendment that says that all laws in the Constitution, including this law, are repealed.

Hmm.... I wonder if there is a better way to phrase what I want.


The dissolution of government amendment.

That would work. Thanks!



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17 Jun 2010, 12:07 am

Why not an ammendment stating that charity organisations have to help the group that they name as recipient of their aid.
Or that a certain ammount (percentage) of a charities funds have to go towards helping those they "support"

Either of these would put Autism Speaks out of business.



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17 Jun 2010, 1:13 am

visagrunt wrote:
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Repeal the amendment that established the IRS and the government's right to levy an income tax.


How do you propose that government's activities be financed? Personally, I believe that consumption taxation is a much healthier way to tax an economy that income taxation, but I don't see that happening anytime soon in your country.

Right, because regressive taxes are always a good idea. :roll:


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17 Jun 2010, 5:36 am

ammendment 28: The wealthy should have higher taxes as their patriotic duty to serve their country.

ammendment 29: When the wealthy whine about paying taxes, refer to ammendment 28.



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17 Jun 2010, 5:40 am

skafather84 wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
I would want a Constitutional Amendment that says that all laws in the Constitution, including this law, are repealed.

Hmm.... I wonder if there is a better way to phrase what I want.


The dissolution of government amendment.


Or maybe a total mess.



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17 Jun 2010, 6:17 am

countzarroff wrote:
ammendment 28: The wealthy should have higher taxes as their patriotic duty to serve their country.

ammendment 29: When the wealthy whine about paying taxes, refer to ammendment 28.


Well, if that were to be so, then a similar set of laws could also be made,

30: The unemployed should be conscripted as their patriotic duty to serve their country.

31: When the unemployed whine about conscription, refer to amendment 30.

(I am unemployed myself, FYI).



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17 Jun 2010, 7:51 am

visagrunt wrote:
Just get rid of the Courts. At that point the guy in control of the greatest amount of force gets to call the shots.


i guess you could call that the new "gold" standard, as in "he who has all the gold makes all the rules."



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17 Jun 2010, 9:55 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
countzarroff wrote:
ammendment 28: The wealthy should have higher taxes as their patriotic duty to serve their country.

ammendment 29: When the wealthy whine about paying taxes, refer to ammendment 28.


Well, if that were to be so, then a similar set of laws could also be made,

30: The unemployed should be conscripted as their patriotic duty to serve their country.

31: When the unemployed whine about conscription, refer to amendment 30.

(I am unemployed myself, FYI).


Sounds good to me. The military already is the biggest portion of welfare, might as well get everyone into the act and at least have a healthier, not homeless society (other than when they're dismembered or killed).


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17 Jun 2010, 10:14 am

skafather84 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
countzarroff wrote:
ammendment 28: The wealthy should have higher taxes as their patriotic duty to serve their country.

ammendment 29: When the wealthy whine about paying taxes, refer to ammendment 28.


Well, if that were to be so, then a similar set of laws could also be made,

30: The unemployed should be conscripted as their patriotic duty to serve their country.

31: When the unemployed whine about conscription, refer to amendment 30.

(I am unemployed myself, FYI).


Sounds good to me. The military already is the biggest portion of welfare, might as well get everyone into the act and at least have a healthier, not homeless society (other than when they're dismembered or killed).


I'd actually like to sign up, but they won't let me due to having an official diagnosis of Asperger's along with previously being prescribed medicine for ADHD. My birth-father was a helicopter mechanic in the U.S. Army in the 1970's, stationed in Germany. It would be neat to be able to join, though I'd prefer to be combat active duty as a sniper. I'm not going to try to enlist again though, since I just got married and I wouldn't want Jacklyn worrying about me.



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17 Jun 2010, 10:16 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
It would be neat to be able to join, though I'd prefer to be combat active duty as a sniper.


You don't lack the morals to be able to be a sniper. You essentially have to be anti-social to qualify mentally for being a sniper.


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17 Jun 2010, 10:33 am

skafather84 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
It would be neat to be able to join, though I'd prefer to be combat active duty as a sniper.


You don't lack the morals to be able to be a sniper. You essentially have to be anti-social to qualify mentally for being a sniper.


No, that's the qualification for being a criminal sniper. I think that sniping is inherently more accurate than just going in with guns blazing in combat. You have more of a chance to be certain that your target is actually an enemy soldier or combatant, at the least, while preparing for the shot. And in field combat you can help reduce casualties on your own side by reducing the enemy infantry and vehicles before they can take anyone out.



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17 Jun 2010, 2:11 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
It would be neat to be able to join, though I'd prefer to be combat active duty as a sniper.


You don't lack the morals to be able to be a sniper. You essentially have to be anti-social to qualify mentally for being a sniper.


No, that's the qualification for being a criminal sniper. I think that sniping is inherently more accurate than just going in with guns blazing in combat. You have more of a chance to be certain that your target is actually an enemy soldier or combatant, at the least, while preparing for the shot. And in field combat you can help reduce casualties on your own side by reducing the enemy infantry and vehicles before they can take anyone out.




actually, skafather84's right. you have to pretty much not care about human life to be a military sniper. maybe police snipers get to be certain that their target is actually a criminal that needs to be shot to prevent further loss of innocent life but that's not the job of the military sniper.

while i was in the army, i had a few friends that went to sniper school. only one actually got his tab. several failed physical trials (sniper school is apparently harder than ranger school). the one who got his tab wasn't the only one to complete the school. two others completed the entire school and were rejected. of those two, one immediately signed up for OCS (officer candidate school) and the other deserted. both said they were told they didn't "have the testicular fortitude to follow orders you're not smart enough to understand."

modern combat infantry units have designated marksmen that do not go to sniper school and are not considered "snipers." neither designated marksmen nor qualified snipers reduce casualties, friendly or civilian, more than any other component of an assault.

all that said, you pretty much have to be anti-social to qualify, mentally, to be a sniper.

also: unless they tightened their requirements in the last few years (which is the opposite of what has been happening), your recruiter lied to you. i was in infantry school with a guy who washed out after repeatedly trying (and failing) to get out because he had been diagnosed with an ASD and ADHD and had been on medication prior to joining. none of us believed he was autistic because we didn't understand that autism didn't just mean the nonverbal stereotype. he eventually washed out because he wouldn't train. it terrified me because his problems were just like mine but worse.

we used him in a lot of our jokes about recruiters just going for quotas. whatever recruiter told you that you couldn't sign up because of an ASD or ADHD diagnosis or medications you were previously on was lying to you. though, he may have had your best interests in mind.

war-movie "sniper" and real-world "sniper" are two different things. whereas war-movie "sniper" is a heroic life saver, real-world "snipers" are more easily described as murderous killwhores. the missions aren't "shoot that guy in the general hat" or "shoot the enemy soldier on that rooftop our soldiers are about to pass by so he doesn't shoot them with his RPG." the missions are "shoot the guy in the dirty robe talking on his cell phone. he could be relaying our soldiers' position" or "shoot that kid on the roof who keeps peeking over the wall. he might be relaying our position, planning to shoot us, or waiting to set off an IED."



so as much as i like to disagree with things that you write, parakeet, i definitely agree that you are too moral to be a military sniper.


besides, aren't you a biblical literalist? is my translation "thou shalt not kill" off?


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17 Jun 2010, 2:39 pm

Gentlemen; on the topic of military sniping some of you seem to be singularly misinformed. Historically, the primary purpose of the true sniper, not the designated marksman, has been information gathering due to his abilities in concealed movement and position far forward of friendly lines. His occasional value in removing high value targets such as officers and artillery or machine gun crews pales in comparison to his value as a forward artillery spotter and a source of intelligence on the enemy.

Today, there is a whole new school of sniping with the rise of the anti-materiel rifle, a high caliber weapon designed not to kill enemy personnel but instead to destroy costly equipment such as radar installations, aircraft on the ground, and command and control structures that may be cost millions of dollars to replace.

Even traditional anti-personnel sniping however is by far the most discriminating of military weapons systems, it looks downright humane when compared to bombs, missiles, artillery and automatic weapons fire. The trait looked for in a good sniper is not a disregard for human life but calmness; anyone can learn to shoot but not everyone can learn not to. Strength of character is important as well, as the sniper often sees the enemy more personally than do others members of the military. Dropping bombs from the air, firing an artillery piece, or snapping off shots at a vaguely human shape are far different than viewing a person through a telescope as they go about their business and seeing them as a human, so pulling that trigger is much harder than most appreciate. It doesn't take a damaged or immoral individual, but it does take one with a strong sense of the rightness of their cause.


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