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01 Jul 2010, 8:17 pm

No. Life doesn't begin at conception. You must realize that Humans are actually souls trapped in bodies. The human being is three things, all autonomous, functioning independently of one another but forced to interact. It is the mind, the body and the soul. At conception, the fetus is just another body growing inside of another body. There is no soul in the fetus and even if their was and it was aborted, the soul would just leave it and go wait in line for another mother.



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01 Jul 2010, 8:46 pm

What do you mean by life? Biological life? It begins before conception because both the sperm and the egg are living things. Do you mean life as a sentient human person? Clearly not. The organs of sentience, principally the brain do not start to function until the fetus is several month along in development.

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01 Jul 2010, 8:51 pm

She said "Conception". She means when the sperm and egg unite or whatever. Also, even when the brain begins functioning that doesn't mean it is alive to me. It is alive when the soul enters the child.



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01 Jul 2010, 8:55 pm

SaNcheNuSS wrote:
She said "Conception". She means when the sperm and egg unite or whatever. Also, even when the brain begins functioning that doesn't mean it is alive to me. It is alive when the soul enters the child.

Excellent, how are we detecting the soul, still using seers or have we moved onto electronic soul detection equipment?



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01 Jul 2010, 9:22 pm

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She said "Conception". She means when the sperm and egg unite or whatever. Also, even when the brain begins functioning that doesn't mean it is alive to me. It is alive when the soul enters the child.

Excellent, how are we detecting the soul, still using seers or have we moved onto electronic soul detection equipment?


If you are simply asking how can we detect when a soul enters the body then I have no idea. Some people in the know say 79 days I think? I could care less though because Im already born. If you are going to abort, you should probably abort as soon as possible. I don't think it really matters until after you realize that you exist. Newborn babies could be aborted and they would never know it.

It is the inevitable conclusion that a being reaches in their evolution. When you are ready, you experience your soul. You can feel it, you can use it. Before you are able to ascend to the next level you must recognize that you have and are a soul.



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01 Jul 2010, 9:30 pm

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She said "Conception". She means when the sperm and egg unite or whatever. Also, even when the brain begins functioning that doesn't mean it is alive to me. It is alive when the soul enters the child.

Excellent, how are we detecting the soul, still using seers or have we moved onto electronic soul detection equipment?


If you are simply asking how can we detect when a soul enters the body then I have no idea. Some people in the know say 79 days I think? I could care less though because Im already born. If you are going to abort, you should probably abort as soon as possible. I don't think it really matters until after you realize that you exist. Newborn babies could be aborted and they would never know it.

It is the inevitable conclusion that a being reaches in their evolution. When you are ready, you experience your soul. You can feel it, you can use it. Before you are able to ascend to the next level you must recognize that you have and are a soul.

I have just stolen your soul. It resides in a coca cola bottle, and I refuse to let it out until you remorgage your house and donate the money to your local zoo.



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01 Jul 2010, 9:37 pm

nicca please, you can't capture my soul.



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01 Jul 2010, 9:54 pm

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nicca please, you can't capture my soul.

For someone to have reached the age of 27 and still spout absolute nonsense about souls is an unfortunate tragedy. As this is not uncommon it is obvious why the world is crumbling into violence and stupidity.



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01 Jul 2010, 9:58 pm

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nicca please, you can't capture my soul.

My credentials are well known. Regardless, prove me wrong.



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01 Jul 2010, 9:58 pm

Life began already before conception.


http://www.wejees.net/whatisreincarnation.html

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Reincarnation is the belief that the soul survives physical death, and is reborn into a new physical life, the passing of the soul from one body to the next. Our souls never really die, we merely change our physical form, forgetting who we once were. Why do we do this? Our souls are striving for perfection, whether we consciously realize it or not. We are born again and again to confront and perfect our Karma. To know the laws of action and reaction so instinctively and purely, that we never transgress them, is true enlightenement. At tha point, our souls are free of Karma, and free to join with "The One" in a state of Nirvana.

We are Not our Body
The concept of reincarnation is easier to grasp if we understand that we are not our bodies, but our souls. The unenlightened and untrained mind blindly and habitually identifies with the physical body. In fact, our true nature is pure awareness. We cannot be the observer (awareness) of an object (the body) and also be that object. Our true nature is awareness itself.

The soul is forever evolving, and ach soul is without beginning or end. Our individual souls have evolved through one celled organisms, plants, animals, and the human form. Most of us have been humans many times. With each lifetime, we learn, growing closer to the state of soul perfection!


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01 Jul 2010, 10:05 pm

greenblue wrote:
Life began already before conception.


http://www.wejees.net/whatisreincarnation.html

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Reincarnation is the belief that the soul survives physical death, and is reborn into a new physical life, the passing of the soul from one body to the next. Our souls never really die, we merely change our physical form, forgetting who we once were. Why do we do this? Our souls are striving for perfection, whether we consciously realize it or not. We are born again and again to confront and perfect our Karma. To know the laws of action and reaction so instinctively and purely, that we never transgress them, is true enlightenement. At tha point, our souls are free of Karma, and free to join with "The One" in a state of Nirvana.

We are Not our Body
The concept of reincarnation is easier to grasp if we understand that we are not our bodies, but our souls. The unenlightened and untrained mind blindly and habitually identifies with the physical body. In fact, our true nature is pure awareness. We cannot be the observer (awareness) of an object (the body) and also be that object. Our true nature is awareness itself.

The soul is forever evolving, and ach soul is without beginning or end. Our individual souls have evolved through one celled organisms, plants, animals, and the human form. Most of us have been humans many times. With each lifetime, we learn, growing closer to the state of soul perfection!



Life began quite a few billion years ago and seems to be still going strong without interruption. It's amazing how this total BS about souls persists.



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01 Jul 2010, 11:36 pm

Sand wrote:
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nicca please, you can't capture my soul.

For someone to have reached the age of 27 and still spout absolute nonsense about souls is an unfortunate tragedy. As this is not uncommon it is obvious why the world is crumbling into violence and stupidity.


What? How old are you? As you get older, you find that this thing works the opposite way. The older people get, usually, the more wise they become unless they are just dumb. When I was in your state, I didn't want to believe in God either but ultimately I came to the conclusion that it is real. Just as I did, you will reach these same conclusions, when you are ready. Be patient my little child.



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01 Jul 2010, 11:41 pm

SaNcheNuSS wrote:
Sand wrote:
SaNcheNuSS wrote:
nicca please, you can't capture my soul.

For someone to have reached the age of 27 and still spout absolute nonsense about souls is an unfortunate tragedy. As this is not uncommon it is obvious why the world is crumbling into violence and stupidity.


What? How old are you? As you get older, you find that this thing works the opposite way. The older people get, usually, the more wise they become unless they are just dumb. When I was in your state, I didn't want to believe in God either but ultimately I came to the conclusion that it is real. Just as I did, you will reach these same conclusions, when you are ready. Be patient my little child.

I find this kind of hilarious. Sand is probably old enough to be your grandfather and then some and here you're lecturing him on aging.



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01 Jul 2010, 11:43 pm

SaNcheNuSS wrote:
What? How old are you? As you get older, you find that this thing works the opposite way. The older people get, usually, the more wise they become unless they are just dumb. When I was in your state, I didn't want to believe in God either but ultimately I came to the conclusion that it is real. Just as I did, you will reach these same conclusions, when you are ready. Be patient my little child.

Sand was an old man before you were born. I imagine he might take offense to someone sixty years his junior referring to him as "[your] little child."


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01 Jul 2010, 11:48 pm

wow and he is still an atheist? He must have a young soul.



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01 Jul 2010, 11:54 pm

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wow and he is still an atheist? He must have a young soul.

Right, because atheism is proof that one is intellectually immature. *sigh* Grow up.