Holding therapy for homosexuality

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And just what has any of the above to do with homosexuality???????????

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Thanks, interesting.

I didn't know you got the requirements for praticing psychiatry as well as to revise the DSM yourself, I mean, if you weren't a professional then I wouldn't put any trust at all at your diagnosis.


Easy, you get ordained as a priest.


The good thing about this is that they can't say no to you, especially corpses, they don't give you any s**t, like the living.


Just their hearts? How about their genitals?


There are BDSM groups you can sign up to, if you are interested.


As far as I know, you haven't, you just said things that are completely irrelevant to the issue.

So you don't think the guy who was holding the other guy (as part of the therapy) was respecting him as fully human. WOW. Look at all the love and affection that they had while they were holding. How can all this love possibly dehumanize or hurt the other person?

#1 Brainwashing is generally considered to be a bad thing.

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Because often 'good intentions' doesn't cut it, especially when you believe that the well intentioned people are dangerously mistaken and/or delusional and what they are doing is more likely to cause you damage than good.

Would you agree to be treated under shock therapy to cure your Aspergers, from people who believe that the treatment can cure you? would you even agree that you need to be cured of it for that matter, even if these people are well intentioned and they show love to you?

Heck, parents who are Jehova's Witnesess which refuse blood transfers towards their children are well intentioned, fundamentalists parents who reject medical treatment for their kids are well intentioned and love their children.

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What a complete and utter load of garbage.

That Richard Cohen is trying to help a person deny his genetic sexual orientation speaks volumes about his style of love. Of course it is bloody dehumanising because this guy is coming at homosexuality as if it is a sin in the eyes of good and if these people do not repent or at least remain celibate then they are off to hell. He is contributing to the feelings of shame and disgust that many homosexual people feel, these feelings are a direct result of the type of evil that homophobic religionists perpetrate upon the minds of this section of society, an evil which you are a participant.

You really need to think about what constitutes love and caring, what I watched was a revolting display of manipulation, and as for symbolically beating his mother near to death

In your intro you state that "But, since you oppose cure for homosexuality, I presume you are pro-gay" what the heck does that mean. I support the ability of consenting adults to display their sexual orientation without prejudice, which means gay, staright, bi, polygamous whatever. What I am not is pro bigot and or this kind of vicious demonising.

Peoples sexual orientation, unless it is hurtful to others who are in a weaker or unbalanced power situation is a matter for them and them alone.

I am not talking about good intentions. I am taking about good ACTIONS: holding someone. If anything, it is the opposite to what you are saying: good actions despite bad intentions. While intentions are bad (that is, to cure them) the actions are good: to hold them. The intended result of curing won't happen anyway; but think of all the love and support that they would get while being held.



Again, lets talk about actions, not intentions. Regardless of intentions, the shock therapy damages you. On the other hand (again, regardless of intentions) hugging is really good for you. Even if intentions of a hug are bad, you will still feel all this pleasure and support from mere experience of the hug.

None of that has anything to do with homosexuality. The fact that you consider them equivalent may be construed as your "issues"...

~Kate

Trying to change someone else is not respecting who he is. I know that from years of someone trying to change me (I'm not gay, I am referring to my AS).

~Kate

I support a cure for religion.

Not quite, those listed are considered immoral (save bdsm outside of old fashioned thinking), and homosexuality was in with them up until somewhere in the 20th century.
It isn't so much an issue as backward, today it's more considered that instead of a model of just one kind of sexual activity being right (that being 2, married, a man and a woman, only having sex for reproduction) it is now any consentual adults are free to do as they please (which is why abuse, rape and child molestation is immoral, but homosexuality, polyamoury and bdsm is ok)

Personally if the biological means of resetting gender sexual attraction was determined, it'd be cool. I could become gay for a while and explore it, then go back to being in my original state, which happens to be heterosexual. However I can see the implications if a method was discovered, like fundies resetting all the gays, and so would rather not risk it, not to mention that I can understand and respect other's sexual orientation quite happily without actually having it, even if it would be interesting.


Yeah, we're working on that

To summise:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw[/youtube]

Do we need to be cured because we were born with Aspergers? NO! Aspergers is what makes who we are and makes an individual!

Do members of the LGBT Community (Including me and billions of others around the world) need to be cured because they were born gay, bisexual, or transgender? NO! Being LGBT Makes them who they are and makes them an individual.

So you don't think that people with Aspergers Syndrome should be condoned or encouraged?

I didn't see the last one (bdsm)...yeah, that's not immoral if everyone involved is consenting, while the others are because of lack of consent. What I meant was that homophobia is more of an "issue" mentally than being gay.

~Kate

Well, hugging a person and showing affection are indications of good intention, if they are honest, they would be batlantly wrong, nevertheless honest, unless that is not their purpose, which they would be intentionally deceiving them, therefore bad intentioned. And the act of deceving someone by pretending to be affectionate would often be considered to be inmoral.

Hugging or showing affection isn't always a justification of things that causes damage in the end, even when the victims are loved. If religious parents, who neglect their kids by rejecting medical help because they believe in the power of prayer, hug and kiss their kids, showing their love while their kids are about to die, does that make their neglection justifiable?

Heck! statutory rape can usually be about hugging, showing affection and make them feel good and even well intentioned, but I hardly doubt that justification works under the law.

How is it a mental disorder? Where is the disorder? To have a disorder, there has to be some kind of impairment, and the main reason the American Psychological Association no longer considers homosexuality a disorder is because it doesn't result in impaired functioning. Gay couples can have healthy relationships just like anybody else.

And the examples you gave are ridiculous. If you molested a child, it harms an innocent child who can't maturely consent to the relationship, while gay people can consent. As for raping women, and eating their hearts, if you can't see how that differs drastically from homosexuality, I don't know what to tell you. As for being turned on by being whipped, there is much debate among psychologists about whether sadism and masochism are technically disorders, since, for the most part, people who consent to those kinds of relationships are consenting to it and enjoy it. They are in the DSM, but usually they are only considered disorders if the person experiences psychological harm or impairment from the activities. Personally, I view S&M to be abnormal, but people can certainly do it without screwing themselves up psychologically (theoretically anyway). Enough with the slippery slope nonsense.

As for being committed of a hate crime, I live in the United States, so naturally I oppose hate speech laws. You can say what you want, just like someone can criticize you for it.