Origian solution to Israeli Palestinian conflict

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Ha! Costing less does not matter to people. People are illogical Yahoos. They cling stubbornly to land and will never give it up.

There is a kind of monkey trap consisting of a container with food in it. The hole is just large enough for the monkey's hand to reach into the trap. Once the monkey has grabbed the food, it cannot take out its hand. The monkey is trapped and will be killed. If it abandons the food, it could take out is hand and escape. But the monkey will never do that.

People are like that too.

If humans were not so illogical, the Israel-Palestine problem would have been solved a long time ago, if it had arisen at all.

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You see, there probably may never be a solution because the Israelis and Palestinians, being human, are monkeys too. They will never drop the food and countless people shall perish as a result.

Some of you argue that the Arabs/Palestinians have the Arabian Peninnsula/Jordan. That makes little difference because humans are illogical. The Palestinians want a de jure and de facto Palestinian state and they will not drop the piece of food in the trap.

In addition, both Muslim and Jewish holy sites are in Israel. The Rock of the Dome, where Muhammed is said to have ascended to heaven, is built, in horrid and grotesque irony, on top of the Temple Mount, which is sacred to the Jews. Thus, there can never be as solution, as long as Palestinians are Palestinians, Jews are Jews, humans are humans, and humans are monkeys.

But the status quo cannot be maintained indefinitely. The Palestinian population is growing with great alacrity while the Israelis' numbers are torpid. There will be a day when Palestinians will vastly outnumber Jews in Israel. Legions of Palestinians will be born and will grow up disenfranchised, full of fury, and filled with deep hatred. The Jews will look upon the growing horde, and their fear will become greater and greater. Fear will turn to hatred and the animosity will grow. It is only a matter of time before the situation explodes.

The trappers are coming to shoot the monkey.

The Jews will be threatened. There will be a Jewish state with a minuscule minority of Jews. Such a state will be unstable. They will have to crush the Palestinian population with draconian actions, or there will be no Jewish state.

Eventually, if left unchecked, there will be a massive revolt of disenfranchised Palestinian young men and the region will engulfed in a roiling, chaotic bloodbath. The highly effective, well-equipped Israeli army will have no choice but to slaughter, to massacre the Palestinians. It is not certain who the victor will be, but it is certain that horrific numbers will be obliterated, decapitated, or incinerated.

Genocide waits, lurks in the future. Time and time again, man has said, "Never again," and each time the oath has been kept only in the fact that the future slaughter is never again so mild.

Such is the nature of homo sapiens, the sapient man, the greatest of the apes, the erudite creator of efficient ways of killing, the creature of such phenomenal powers of reason that it always decides that a morsel of food from a trap is more valuable than its own life.

Perhaps I went on a tangent. Excuse my apocalyptic predictions.

The whole idea of nations is silly anyway. All it does is give an excuse for competition and an us-versus-them mindset, allowing rulers to do things. I hope we eventually get rid of nations completely.

However, since we're not doing that just yet, I'm all for equality. We have Israel for Jewish dudes,a nd Pakistan for Muslim dudes. I think we need nations for every separate group, just to be fair. A Saxon Agnostic nation. A Saxon Buddhist nation. A Saxon Catholic nation. An Anglo Catholic nation. An Anglo Taoist nation. A Japanese Catholic nation. A Japanese Shinto nation. Sure, it's stupid to have nations like that. But if a couple of groups are allowed to do it, surely the rest should have that same right.

That is impossible. Forming a new state will always involve a group in power ceding land. Humans tend to be as willing to cede land as a cat is willing to go scuba diving. Secondly, you may not be aware of the vast myriad of ethnic and religious groups that exist. If you have ever looked at a map of the tribes of Africa, you will see my point. We shall have a trillion countries the size of postage stamps. It is really less racticable than having a world state.

I am indeed aware that many groups exist. People love dividing themselves along all sorts of imaginary lines. And that was sort of my point. The whole concept is silly. Yet apparently some of us still do it.

What I am saying is that it didn't happen "now and then". Rather, every single nation on the planet has moved around. So if you say that Israel is illigitimate, then you have to be consistant and say that everyone else are illigitimate as well.




Well, Palestinians are still doing it today, too. Whatever Israel does is a RESPONSE to what Palestinians do.

Yes you might say that Palestinians are weaker side. But then, the same logic will imply that criminals in any other country are "weaker" than the police so all criminals around the world should have free run.




No, I proposed an OBJECTION to my argument and refutted it. If you never proposed that objection then it is even better becaues it means I had one less thing to refute.




Are you serious about the idea of abandoning all natioins, or is it sarcastic way of saying something else? Please clarify.



How did you choose this particular date? See, if you pick this date, you get pro-palestinian conclusion, if I pick some other date, I get pro-Israel conclusion. So now you have to show me why is your date better than mine.




WHy are they innocent? They blow up Israeli busses.

In fact, the ISRAELI children in the school busses are innocent ones because even if you don't agree with what Israeli governemnt does, it has nothing to do with these kids.




Okay, since my assumption is unsupported, lets back off and ask it in a question form. DO you think that Europeans should return their land to aborigines? If you are going to say "no" this will back off my assumption. If you are going to say "yes" then I apologise.



Okay fine, please tell me exactly what you want Israel to do.



Still Jews were the one group that traced its roots many centuries back.



See, you included TWO statements. First, human rights, and secondly, disliking Israel. In the second part you admitted bias.

I noticed that all the other categories you listed are RELIGIOUS rather than ethnic. On the other hand, being Jewish is an ETHNIC cathegory. It just happened that this ETHNICITY holds a religion Judaism.

On any event, Catholics/Protestants have Europe and USA. Russian Orthodox have Russia. Greek Orthodox have Greece. Muslims have middle east. Buddhists and Hindu have Asia.

A bunch of Goyim's arguing over Israeli-arab conflict with little idea of what there talking about beyond the surface and the most minimal understanding of the two cultures involved.

Move on folks plenty of this on the internet

Are you implying that Palestinians (and possibly other Arabs) are NOT considered goyim? If such is the case, does it mean that from Talmud point of view, Jews are supposed to be MORE tolerant towards Palestinians than towards Americans?