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19 Jul 2010, 3:59 pm

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Insanity. It is private land that they purchased completely legally. They may do what they wish with it, in accordance with NYC zoning laws. As little love as I have for Islam, we still allow basic freedoms to everyone. If they wish to worship their Allah in a location that happens to be near Ground Zero, I see no reason to stop them.


I agree with you. Although if I see someone planting an explosive charge on this Mosque I am going to delay called the police at least one hour.

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Wouldn't that make you complicit?

Right, I don't see the reason for the variance in treatment. It seems like a "dick move" so to speak.



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19 Jul 2010, 4:06 pm

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[Moslems, even if they are peaceful people who even feel wounded by their own

Do you know that the people who want to build the mosque see the 9/11 attackers as their own? Would you see the Westboro Baptist Church as your own?

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I mean, come on! Christians are STILL getting a hard time from others over that little Crusades incident.

It was a much larger incident than all Islamic terrorism of the last 10 years. Do you see the crusaders as your own? The people who, when they took Jerusalem, slaughtered everyone they saw, not asking their religion, then fell to their knees and thanked God for allowing them to do His work? The people who sacked the Christian city of Konstatinopel? Do you claim them as yours?

If you do, you play along with the extremists, you accept their rules. They want broad brush identification by religion. The extremists claim they fight for Islam. You confirm that claim by identifying the extremists with all of Islam. It is a standard terrorist tactic to provoke the stronger side into indiscriminate reprisals until the community the terrorists claim to represent really do see them as freedom fighters. Your indiscriminate identification of the terrorists with Muslims in general gives the political backing for indiscriminate reprisals. The terrorists' tactic is working.

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The first step would be to help ensure that the WTC is a memorial to the victims who died there, not a banner of victory to those who committed that horrendous act of violence.

That's what I mean. It looks like the people who want to build the mosque see it as a gesture of reconciliation, you see it as a banner of victory for the terrorists. The people who profit from your interpretation are the terrorists and Sarah Palin. The people who stand to gain more power from more conflict. Do you want to give them that power?



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19 Jul 2010, 4:10 pm

The whole mosque issue is pretty dumb. They bought the land and as long as they're not hurting anyone they can do whatever the hell they want with it.

It's pretty hard to take Palin seriously. I don't hate her like most people seem to but she has very little substance behind her. I don't understand the fascination.



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19 Jul 2010, 4:14 pm

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The whole mosque issue is pretty dumb. They bought the land and as long as they're not hurting anyone they can do whatever the hell they want with it.
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You are right. they are not harming us physically. They are only "sticking it" to us. Sort of like opening a Shinto shrine near Pearl Harbor.

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19 Jul 2010, 4:16 pm

Jacoby and I agreeing on something?

Satan will be opening up a ski resort any time now.


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19 Jul 2010, 4:16 pm

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Jacoby and I agreeing on something?

Satan will be opening up a ski resort any time now.

I already did.



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19 Jul 2010, 4:34 pm

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Jacoby and I agreeing on something?

Satan will be opening up a ski resort any time now.


Hey, don't knock it. I even agree with ruveyn every now and then.

That Pearl Harbor comment? Dead on!



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19 Jul 2010, 9:25 pm

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Sarah Palin took an oath to serve as governor of Alaska then resigned from that office breaking her promise with the people who elected her. She decided to become a kind of Rush Limbaugh. It seems to me that it's clear she will never be able to run for president and win due to the fact she would likely resign from a Palin Republican White House within a few weeks of being elected to pursue some other endeavor of her choice. Many persons view Sarah Palin as irresponsible/self-serving/a promise-breaker due to her resignation of the governorship in Alaska.

If Palin ever gets elected President of the US, I will start building my bunker.


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19 Jul 2010, 9:46 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The whole mosque issue is pretty dumb. They bought the land and as long as they're not hurting anyone they can do whatever the hell they want with it.
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You are right. they are not harming us physically. They are only "sticking it" to us. Sort of like opening a Shinto shrine near Pearl Harbor.

ruveyn

I personally find Chinese and Japanese architecture quite beautiful.



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19 Jul 2010, 9:53 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The whole mosque issue is pretty dumb. They bought the land and as long as they're not hurting anyone they can do whatever the hell they want with it.
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You are right. they are not harming us physically. They are only "sticking it" to us. Sort of like opening a Shinto shrine near Pearl Harbor.

ruveyn

I personally find Chinese and Japanese architecture quite beautiful.

If there is a large Japanese community in the area that needs to be served, then I don't see the issue. The original occurrences are "our enemies attacked us", but how does this lead to "therefore people who are not our enemies should not do certain things".



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19 Jul 2010, 10:06 pm

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I agree with you. Although if I see someone planting an explosive charge on this Mosque I am going to delay called the police at least one hour.

Would you wait on the inside?


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19 Jul 2010, 10:10 pm

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Insanity. It is private land that they purchased completely legally. They may do what they wish with it, in accordance with NYC zoning laws. As little love as I have for Islam, we still allow basic freedoms to everyone. If they wish to worship their Allah in a location that happens to be near Ground Zero, I see no reason to stop them.

I agree with that, however I wouldn't advise them to do it, not because of putting some blame on Islam in general for the 911 attacks or the like but because of their own safety, I mean, generally, people are incredibly brillant that they would give them trouble for something they didn't do, themselves, so not very much a good idea I think.


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19 Jul 2010, 10:22 pm

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I agree with that, however I wouldn't advise them to do it, not because of putting some blame on Islam in general for the 911 attacks or the like but because of their own safety, I mean, generally, people are incredibly brillant that they would give them trouble for something they didn't do, themselves, so not very much a good idea I think.

Unacceptable. Freedom that is contingent on the goodwill of bigots and partisans is not freedom at all. They have their rights, as do the rest of us. The state has its obligations to ensure the physical safety of those within its jurisdiction.


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19 Jul 2010, 10:31 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The whole mosque issue is pretty dumb. They bought the land and as long as they're not hurting anyone they can do whatever the hell they want with it.
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You are right. they are not harming us physically. They are only "sticking it" to us. Sort of like opening a Shinto shrine near Pearl Harbor.

ruveyn

I personally find Chinese and Japanese architecture quite beautiful.

I personally would find Japanese architecture inside Pearl Harbor quite beautiful.


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19 Jul 2010, 11:08 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Palin: Ground Zero mosque an "unnecessary provocation"
Sarah Palin wrote:
Peace-seeking Muslims, pls understand, Ground Zero mosque is UNNECESSARY provocation; it stabs hearts. Pls reject it in interest of healing


She had nothing to say about Bush's distasteful "Where are those darned WMD's" video, she has no moral ground to say something else is inappropriate.


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20 Jul 2010, 12:42 am

ruveyn wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The whole mosque issue is pretty dumb. They bought the land and as long as they're not hurting anyone they can do whatever the hell they want with it.
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You are right. they are not harming us physically. They are only "sticking it" to us.
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Well, we're sticking it to them tenfold.

Manhattan is prime real estate, I don't blame them for wanting the property.

The only thing that sorta irks me is that they want to open it on 9/11, it's a bit insensitive but whatever.

The biggest joke of all is that almost 9 years later Ground Zero is still essentially a hole in the ground. If anything should be offensive to the victims, that should.