How much of the Bible do you believe is true?

Post Reply New Topic

Men and women have exactly the same number of ribs.

You bet! After being sold out by his own wife, Adam demanded having his returned!

DentArthurDent wrote (in part): I am of the belief that the bible does contain some historical accuracies, but then so do the legends of Robin Hood, King Arthur and the Iliad. So I accept that there is most likely some broadly plausible historical accuracies in the book , but that is as far as it goes. All the god stuff is pure superstition from a time when we had comparatively almost no knowledge of our natural world and we were looking for explanations to natural events that we had zero comprehension of. Why we still believe the christ story has me baffled
---
So I conclude that you do not subscribe to the idea that it is necessary for a monk to climb to the top of a pyramid everyday before midnight and burn a bowl of incense to guarantee that earth will be here the next day?

X-reference: Non-profit religions in the past which have promoted religious ceremonies close to the above idea of burning incense daily to appease the universe so time/the earth will continue one more day. - pgd

---

Wombat wrote:

How stupid are we?

Possible insights...

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

- Einstein

---

Imagination is big business. Imagination is big bucks.

- Disneyland
- Epcot Center

- Lord of the Rings

- The Bible

---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre

---

There's no business like show business.

Ethel Merman

---

There's no business like a non-profit, money-making, pass the collection plate religious business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_of_Faith_(film)

---

Other - pgd

We need a bit of intellectual honesty here: Scripture was written to pass something along and not for financial gain.

Tolkien's motivation for writing LOTR and The Silmarilion was not primarily financial gain. He fiddled and he diddled with his opus for decades before they were ever published. Tolkien himself most likely did not envision movie rights.

ruveyn

You sir, win my daily prize for obfuscated humour. I had to read you several times to see that you were agreeing with me. I admire a good confusing laugh.

Pistonhead:
If god had completely removed one of Adams ribs(and both both sides), then he would feature one less rib than Eve. If god had only removed part of the lowest rib, it would grow back. In medicine they sometimes take material from the last rib for this reason: people regenerate that bone.

But the idea that his children(and males only) inherited that lack from him is patently untrue: an examination of male and female skeletons shows they both have twelve ribs. In any case, loss of function isnt inherited. You dont see amputees giving birth to kids with missing limbs. The loss of your eyes does not mean your kids will be born blind.

It doesnt take science to confirm this: just human perception.

You need not take my word for it. Perhaps leejosepho, Parakeet or AngelRho will be kind enough to clear up your confusion.

You could also check websites like answers in genesis. Here is the link. http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... rating-rib

---

Topic: Intellectual Honesty - Year 2010 - in the USA regarding the Bible

leejosepho,

Did you know of the following?

For years, the Bible was available free over the Internet/www...now this:

The Bible, Revised Standard VersionWe regret that we are unable to host the Revised Standard Version of the Bible on our website any longer. We were recently contacted by the National Council of Churches of Christ (http://www.ncccusa.org/), who own the copyright for the Revised Standard Version of the Bible in the USA. They have asked us to remove the text from our website, and we have complied with their request. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

The King James Version of the Bible may still be accessed on our website at http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html.

http://etext.virginia.edu/rsv.browse.html (07-28-1010)

- pgd

---

Bibles.net - The #1 Online Collection of Bibles and Biblical Resources
Online Bible in many translations, concordance search, cross-references, commentaries, Greek or Hebrew for any verse, and the history of the English Bible.
http://www.bibles.net/ - Cached - Similar (Google)

100% of it is true, accurate in its original copies.

---

Topic: Intellectual Honesty - Year 2010 - in the USA regarding the Bible

ruveyn,

Did you know of the following?

For years, the Bible was available free over the Internet/www...now this:

The Bible, Revised Standard VersionWe regret that we are unable to host the Revised Standard Version of the Bible on our website any longer. We were recently contacted by the National Council of Churches of Christ (http://www.ncccusa.org/), who own the copyright for the Revised Standard Version of the Bible in the USA. They have asked us to remove the text from our website, and we have complied with their request. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

The King James Version of the Bible may still be accessed on our website at http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html.

http://etext.virginia.edu/rsv.browse.html (07-28-1010)

Regarding Tolkien, it's very clear to me that many artists write things because they want to and then the outcome either sells or it doesn't.

Tolkien/his family/his foundation whatever (my view) has the same approach toward book writing and profits as does the author of the Harry Potter series - http://www.jkrowling.com/ -

In my view, both Tolkien and Rowling have displayed legal aggressiveness in protecting their literary, financial rights to LOTR and The Silmarilion and the Harry Potter series.

To imply that neither author has any interest in money (rightfully earned due to the time and energy needed to write the books) is absurd (my view). It does not match the legal actions of both authors to protect their financial rights to the intellectual properties they created from ideas in their brains/minds/heads.

That's my view today - year 2010.

Also, regarding Jesus Christ and the Bible, there are more statements made by Jesus Christ about the value of money than there are about heaven.

So I'm only trying to be intellectually honest about the actual actions/words of Jesus Christ, Tolkien, and Rowling.

All know the value of the five letter word: m o n e y.

Is there any real way that Jesus Christ, Tolkien, and Rowling could predict the kind of success they achieved eventually in advance? No.

In my view, it's very likely that Jesus Christ, Tolkien and Rowling all would be or have been surprised as to how popular their ideas have turned out to be and how much money/income would be associated with those ideas.

http://www.holylandexperience.com/
http://www.universalorlando.com/harrypotter/

It's my understanding that both the Star Trek series (Gene Roddenberry) and Walmart/Sam's Club stores (Sam Walton) exceeded what either person, Roddenberry or Walton, believed their businesses would actually do - go global/be accepted in foreign countries to the extent they have been.

- pgd

---

Bibles.net - The #1 Online Collection of Bibles and Biblical Resources
Online Bible in many translations, concordance search, cross-references, commentaries, Greek or Hebrew for any verse, and the history of the English Bible.
http://www.bibles.net/ - Cached - Similar (Google)

100% true

So then, Scripture is not the only major work not written with financial gain in mind, and what anyone might later do with either, regardless of effect, does not in any way affect the substance of either.



Scripture and "the Bible" are not one-and-the-same, and both were essentially free long before any internet ever came along. Irregardless, I still say the same as above:

What anyone might do with Scripture in order to be able to copyright a published *version* of same does not reflect back on any reason Scripture was first written.

As an aside: The particular version of Scripture I tend to read most, ISR's "The Scriptures", is copyrighted, yet its publishers do make it readily available for free for use within eSword, also completely free.



I thank you at Adam's expense!

leejosepho wrote (ih part):

Scripture and "the Bible" are not one-and-the-same, and both were essentially free long before any internet ever came along. Irregardless, I still say the same as above:

What anyone might do with Scripture in order to be able to copyright a published *version* of same does not reflect back on any reason Scripture was first written.

As an aside: The particular version of Scripture I tend to read most, ISR's "The Scriptures", is copyrighted, yet its publishers do make it readily available for free for use within eSword, also completely free.

---

leejosepho - A question. In your view, what is the actual reason Scripture was first written?

---

By the way, my view as to why Scripture was first written is:

- Gifted politicians (from the middle east) who also had great hearts had the ability to tell verbal stories which gave listeners a set of rules/values for Town Hall behavior. There was a view that the stories made for a slightly more peaceful town (less stealing, less murders, etc.).

...Scriptures = Effective/Semi-effective crowd control...

- It became clear that writing the stories down (in stone or on papyrus/whatever) was better than handing them down only verbally.

- There is a reason why many Bibles have gold edges - because many of the ideas within the Bible/the stories told within the Bible such as Noah's Ark, David vs Goliath, and so on are inspiring/they meet the standard of great story telling/great stories (my view).

- Over the years, Pandora's Box was opened and today the motivation behind using Scripture may vary substantially as to why it was originally used.

That's just my opinion.

My opinion can change with or without notice.

Over the years, I have looked at a lot of different resources about the Scriptures ranging from:

http://www.templeinstitute.org/

to the NKJV to even the extremist cartoons of evangelist Jack T. Chick and to comments about the New Testament as given by Oral "I can see a 700 foot Jesus" Roberts.

My faith was shaken recently with involuntary laughter when it was reported "Touchdown Jesus" in Ohio had been struck by lightning during a storm and burned to the ground and that "Touchdown Jesus" would be replaced by fire-resistant materials.

I still view the Bible with its 66 books as being radically different than other books in any bookstore.

The Bible is unique since it invents and tells the story of the God of the Judeo-Christian line of non-profit religious thought.

http://www.beliefnet.com/

That's my view/part of my view today.

- pgd

---

X-ref: http://www.isr-messianic.org/

Men and women have the same number of ribs because God removed one of Adams after he was created. He was created with a full set, therefore, his offspring, male and female would have equal numbers of ribs.

For those that doubt the accuracy or divine inspiration of the Bible: How else did the Book of Isaiah describe- to a T, the existence of Christ? Crucifixion was described a full 600 years before the Roman even invented it. Nobody in those days even knew what crucifixion was, yet Isaiah gave a clear definition (nailed to a tree). Why would anyone make up a story as barbaric as that?

Science had proven that Jesus existed, they just cant wrap their heads around the fact that He is God, in the flesh.

Noah's Ark has been found, exactly where the Bible said it would be, and with the exact dimensions it should be. Every civilization that ever took arms against Israel had been destroyed Babylon, Persia, Egyptian, and in more modern times, England used to have colonies practically everywhere until they crossed the Jews in 1917, now they have a few small islands here and there, Germany used to be great and prosperous, until hitler decided to gas 6 million of Gods chosen people.

We need to be careful, we have an Arab in the white house, America is next.

Apart from second-guessing possibly "God", I seriously doubt there is any single reason. I believe some writers say they were told to write things down, and I suspect others either had a desire or believed there was some kind of need for doing so.



I had never before heard that, but I can imagine many people believe that in order to make literal sense of a line or two from Scripture in the light of present-day rib counts. But if we are going to use that kind of logic, then women can (or at least the first woman would) have only one rib.

Last edited by leejosepho on 28 Jul 2010, 3:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.