What are your views on abortion?

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That's probably something they should've talked about BEFORE they got married.

That's pretty much the problem with any prohibition of a victimless crime: you increase crime, increase the risks involved, and also increase poverty and violent acts.

If he promised to deliver the goods at one time, i'd say he ought to discuss it with her before he gets snipped. But yes, it's his body and he should ultimately be able to what he wants with it. Same thing applies to women who promised
their husband they'd be happy to squeeze out another talking locust or two.

Either party who breaks their promise in this respect is a louse. But a louse that still should be free to do whatever it wishes with it's own body.

If the aggrieved party doesn't like it.....the solution should be obvious.

Yes.
There is no legal or moral right to force anyone to have kids with you, married or not.

That's why I am not for using the legal system--I don't want to use force, and I don't like the alternative of people going and having clandestine (even more unsafe) abortions. I still think that abortion should be much, much rarer than it is, and that there need to be more people willing to adopt, and not to just see it as "Plan B if I Can't Have Biological Children."

I realize this is a really bad comparison, but to me, adoption is almost the same idea as it is with the pet population...I would rather adopt than have a child of my own, as long as there are children who need homes.

Most of the arguments either for or against abortion tend to be based on whether or not someone believes that the fetus is an actual living entity or not (these beliefs will likely not be changed). There are a couple major arguments that don't deal with that, though. The first of these arguments was pointed out by Vexcalibur: Laws prohibiting abortion in the past resulted in back-alley abortionists performing them, and it... was not pleasant.

The second argument is a pro-life argument, in that women who have had abortions have a higher rate of depression and suicide.

There are a number of other arguments that should be mentioned. As the pro-choice arguments are covered here, I will address one more pro-life one (that can relate to the other argument I brought up): Pressure. The song, "The Freshman" was actually based on an event in the writer's life that ended with him and his friends essentially forcing a girl to get an abortion. Now, you may say that it was still her choice, but she was coerced into it. He was making a choice for her body. This is a minor argument, but it does need to be addressed.

Ultimately, though, anyone who is against abortion would have to change the way we think about it, not the law. That really is the only way to avoid back-alley abortions.

Personally, I'd prefer putting in birth control implants or giving birth control injections to those not ready to have children. They are not 100% effective, but it would certainly reduce the rate of depression and suicide in women.

It's not easy being called a murderer when you're not.

The issue is that those two statements may seem contradictory at first glance, I mean, if they talk about that before getting married, then we can say that when married, any of them cannot really do as they please with their own bodies, if they got an agreement before that.

And what if a married woman, as "she can do with her body as she pleases", decides to prostitute herself or mutilate herself, wether the husband likes it or not, I mean, it is her own body not his, right? What if the husband decides to castrate himself, is his body not hers after all. The issue is that that doesn't really hold that much given that it isn't really convenient for each other partners, but people use that term anyway, and I don't hold that defense to much value actually, because when it becomes to pregnancy, it isn't just her body. And I'm pro-choice btw, actually more like pro-abortion.

And when it comes to late term pregnancy, which are ilegal, that defense becomes meaningless.

That's... actually not why. A woman who has an abortion might be called a murderer while going in and going out of a clinic, but not throughout her life. Those two times would not cause a significant increase in depression and suicide.

Edit: I believe that, in many cases, the issue might be hormonal rather than psychological.

Do you have a credible study that supports this assertion?
I've heard this, in anecdotal form from pro-life groups. I've heard the exact opposite from pro-choice groups.
I can believe that women who live in a strongly pro-life environment may feel guilt over an abortion that can cause depression, that wouldn't cause it for women who do not live in such an environment. Hormonal changes during and after pregnancy can cause depression and psychosis - but that is due to the nature of hormonal changes in pregnancy, not specifically to abortion.

Well, there's this one, for example.

Keep in mind that hormones do change during pregnancy, and a sudden end of that pregnancy (while hormones are in such a state) can cause a ripple effect throughout a woman's life.

That study assessed whether women who had a history of depression were likely to experience depression after an abortion, not that abortion causes depression.


Which shows that it is difficult to be a single mother, which can cause women more stress and to terminate a pregnancy that would otherwise be wanted and that the stigma attached to abortion can cause guilt and depression to those that are affected by those opinions. It doesn't say that there is something inherent about abortion that causes those results.

Also, pregnancy hormones are also suddenly ended by events like birth and miscarriage - there is nothing special about abortion that causes it to have a specifically different effect on a woman's body.

So a person who gets an abortion has no contact whatsoever with the topic of abortion after they get it? They have no stress about keeping it secret from people who would judge her?

So... Women who had abortions and were at high risk randomly had more than double the rate of depression of women who didn't? I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with this argument.



So... depression and stress increases after abortion don't mean anything, but depression and stress increases while being a single mother do?

Keep in mind that there are other options aside from abortion if a woman does not believe that she can care for a child. Adoption is an option. Another option that a cousin of mine almost did is to have a parent care for the child (technically adoption, but warrants a separate entry).



How often does abortion come up in your daily life? When it is brought up, how often is it biased towards pro-life?

I'm a male who has never been party to an abortion. It's not especially something I can attest to as far as how much I might notice it coming up in my daily life. I can, however, attest to the presence of protesters not being exclusive to abortion clinics nor extreme anti-abortion rhetoric being limited to even just those protests.

I also can't say how much doubt such rhetoric may fill up a woman's psyche.

It's pretty frequently biased toward pro-life around here with the exception of part of my circle of friends.

Edit: I think what I'm trying to say is that there's a preconditioned societal stress associated with it that is more due to the rhetoric and strong presence of such hate-filled people rather than necessarily the frequency alone of such encounters.

No, the study didn't say that depression and stress were correlated with or caused by abortion. That isn't what the study was trying to measure. The study examined what factors would cause women to experience and stress after an abortion - it found that being single was one of those factors.


Adoption requires giving birth. Giving birth is not some easy, fun thing that women do in between manicures - it is a dangerous and traumatic medical procedure that kills some women. Adoption has emotional repercussions of its own.


Depends on the family and community - there are some where this would happen quite a bit.