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02 Aug 2010, 5:49 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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First of all; Pgd is not breaking any rules even if his topics are stupid and pointless.

I think there is something about creating duplicate threads. Technically he hasn't done so, but he is certainly violating the spirit, if not necessarily the letter, of that rule.


And when he runs out of topics, he runs out of topics. He doesn't seem to display any outright problems. Weird topics, yes...but nothing wrong with that.


Perhaps I just went overboard with considering possibilities of why he's specifically posting weird topics after considering NobelCynic's comment.



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02 Aug 2010, 5:56 pm

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Since Makuranososhi was demodded, moderators rarely come here so we might have to moderate ourselves. In that light, Iamnotaparkeet's question might have some merit.

Why don't I ever hear about these things until months after?


He got banned by Alex for calling Alex out on some stuff on the board (ie, Alex breaking his own rules). I still talk to him on IM occasionally.

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02 Aug 2010, 6:09 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
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First of all; Pgd is not breaking any rules even if his topics are stupid and pointless.

I think there is something about creating duplicate threads. Technically he hasn't done so, but he is certainly violating the spirit, if not necessarily the letter, of that rule.


And when he runs out of topics, he runs out of topics. He doesn't seem to display any outright problems. Weird topics, yes...but nothing wrong with that.


Perhaps I just went overboard with considering possibilities of why he's specifically posting weird topics after considering NobelCynic's comment.


To be perfectly honest I have not read all of his posts, but he seems (from the title at least) to be trying to get discourse going on some of the more outlandish claims in the bible (something that I have also been trying to do). I do not see this as breaking the rules, its just a shame that the members of this forum who believe in the events as laid out in the bible are steadfastly refusing to debate them (other than of course biblical creation).


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02 Aug 2010, 6:15 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Orwell wrote:
NobelCynic wrote:
First of all; Pgd is not breaking any rules even if his topics are stupid and pointless.

I think there is something about creating duplicate threads. Technically he hasn't done so, but he is certainly violating the spirit, if not necessarily the letter, of that rule.


And when he runs out of topics, he runs out of topics. He doesn't seem to display any outright problems. Weird topics, yes...but nothing wrong with that.


Perhaps I just went overboard with considering possibilities of why he's specifically posting weird topics after considering NobelCynic's comment.


To be perfectly honest I have not read all of his posts, but he seems (from the title at least) to be trying to get discourse going on some of the more outlandish claims in the bible (something that I have also been trying to do). I do not see this as breaking the rules, its just a shame that the members of this forum who believe in the events as laid out in the bible are steadfastly refusing to debate them (other than of course biblical creation).


I think you genuinely believe that such things are actually claimed in the Bible. However, that is from hearing you say such things throughout the entire course of your being here. Maybe pgd seems more suspicious because he's not been here very long or perhaps it's his manner of posting and asking only outlandish questions as feelers rather than making outlandish statements in order to assert your opinion explicitly.



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02 Aug 2010, 6:31 pm

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I think you genuinely believe that such things are actually claimed in the Bible.


This has me confused, the bible DOES claim that Jesus was the son of god, that he came to this earth via god into the womb of the virgin Mary, both Mathew and Luke state this. It also claims he was resurrected and walked the earth for a period before ascending back to heaven and that whilst on this earth he performed all kinds of supernatural feats. If I am wrong in this belief please set me straight


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02 Aug 2010, 6:35 pm

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I think you genuinely believe that such things are actually claimed in the Bible.


This has me confused, the bible DOES claim that Jesus was the son of god, that he came to this earth via god into the womb of the virgin Mary, both Mathew and Luke state this. It also claims he was resurrected and walked the earth for a period before ascending back to heaven and that whilst on this earth he performed all kinds of supernatural feats. If I am wrong in this belief please set me straight


The ones you listed I have no beef with. However, start adding modifiers like "extraterrestrial" and other verbal junk like that and I would have a problem. Is that as clear as mud?



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02 Aug 2010, 6:43 pm

I will say that at some point, it does seem to just be spamming up the forum. I mean, it isn't a real offense, it is just that there are a lot of different topics generated, and a lot of them have questionable value. This isn't to say that it is wrong if it is done with good intentions, only that, it has become noticeable.



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02 Aug 2010, 6:44 pm

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but he seems (from the title at least) to be trying to get discourse going on some of the more outlandish claims in the bible
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I think you genuinely believe that such things are actually claimed in the Bible.


From pgd's posts:
"The red sea parting" That is claimed in the bible, sounds outlandish to me.

"Was the Angel Gabriel really an alien from outer space?" . The bible claims the existence of these beings called 'angels' . The existence of angels is as much of a plausible explanation for the bible's account as aliens are. n fact, wings may as well be a metaphor for jet packs and halos a metaphor for helmets. In fact, pgd is not the first person in earth to make this question. A lot of people believe that angels, Yahweh, and also other gods from other religions were extraterrestrials. An easy connection to make considering all the flying carriages of fire and the manly behavior these deities show. Falling in love and having sex with human females is something Greek gods and angels alike have done a lot of times...

"In what part of the body does God live?"

The bible does claim Jesus lives in us, just a sample: "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."

Of course, you may claim it is a metaphor, but you know, you are a YEC.. Why are things like the creation story supposed to be taken as facts while that as a metaphor? How are we supposed to differentiate between facts and metaphors in the bible?


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02 Aug 2010, 6:47 pm

And the one about the Holy Spirit being a literal dove?

Or "What if God is a woman", as if a deity must only have one earthly gender?

And the "extraterrestrial Gabriel" thing may well surge beyond the merely silly...


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02 Aug 2010, 6:50 pm

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And the "extraterrestrial Gabriel" thing may well surge beyond the merely silly...


No, really. Why is the idea of extraterrestrials sillier than the idea of angels?


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02 Aug 2010, 6:51 pm

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skafather84 wrote:
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Since Makuranososhi was demodded, moderators rarely come here so we might have to moderate ourselves. In that light, Iamnotaparkeet's question might have some merit.

Why don't I ever hear about these things until months after?


He got banned by Alex for calling Alex out on some stuff on the board (ie, Alex breaking his own rules). I still talk to him on IM occasionally.

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Exactly. Check out Makuranososhi's blog for a little inkling of what was going on if you like.


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02 Aug 2010, 6:51 pm

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And the "extraterrestrial Gabriel" thing may well surge beyond the merely silly...


No, really. Why is the idea of extraterrestrials sillier than the idea of angels?


Tradition.


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02 Aug 2010, 7:04 pm

The idea of extraterrestrials isn't necessarily sillier than the idea of angels, per se. However, thinking that a) since Gabriel appeared out of nowhere as a messenger from a supernatural entity, that somehow implies "intelligent alien" and b) somebody with the smarts and power to build an FTL drive would then have nothing better to do with its time than buzz primitive planets and impersonate angels strikes me as very, very silly.

Impersonating gods, sure, but why waste your time impersonating a god's slave?


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02 Aug 2010, 7:33 pm

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The idea of extraterrestrials isn't necessarily sillier than the idea of angels, per se. However, thinking that a) since Gabriel appeared out of nowhere as a messenger from a supernatural entity, that somehow implies "intelligent alien" and b) somebody with the smarts and power to build an FTL drive would then have nothing better to do with its time than buzz primitive planets and impersonate angels strikes me as very, very silly.

Impersonating gods, sure, but why waste your time impersonating a god's slave?


Attempting to think like an extraterrestrial or like God is one of the prime foolishnesses of these discussions. As I mentioned elsewhere we have hardly the understanding to think like a chicken or a dog or a honeybee. You cannot posit all thinking with human values. I hold angels as idiotic fantasies but you never know. Their wings are totally unaerodynamic in our atmosphere and their chest muscles totally to weak for flight but who knows about a planet with thicker atmosphere and less gravity?



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02 Aug 2010, 7:38 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:
The idea of extraterrestrials isn't necessarily sillier than the idea of angels, per se. However, thinking that a) since Gabriel appeared out of nowhere as a messenger from a supernatural entity, that somehow implies "intelligent alien" and b) somebody with the smarts and power to build an FTL drive would then have nothing better to do with its time than buzz primitive planets and impersonate angels strikes me as very, very silly.

Impersonating gods, sure, but why waste your time impersonating a god's slave?


Would commander Adama go down to the surface first?
Would he not send Starbuck and Apollo down... And I don't think he'd let them be the big kahoona.
So.. of course they'd be the angels... the messengers of god.
Actually it wouldn't likely be starbuck and apollo, it would likely have been Cassiopeia... after all they'd have to artificially inseminate Mary (er... sorry Ruveyn, I mean Mariam)
But the two guys would go down and be her guard...



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03 Aug 2010, 1:18 am

Sand wrote:
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The idea of extraterrestrials isn't necessarily sillier than the idea of angels, per se. However, thinking that a) since Gabriel appeared out of nowhere as a messenger from a supernatural entity, that somehow implies "intelligent alien" and b) somebody with the smarts and power to build an FTL drive would then have nothing better to do with its time than buzz primitive planets and impersonate angels strikes me as very, very silly.

Impersonating gods, sure, but why waste your time impersonating a god's slave?


Attempting to think like an extraterrestrial or like God is one of the prime foolishnesses of these discussions. As I mentioned elsewhere we have hardly the understanding to think like a chicken or a dog or a honeybee. You cannot posit all thinking with human values. I hold angels as idiotic fantasies but you never know. Their wings are totally unaerodynamic in our atmosphere and their chest muscles totally to weak for flight but who knows about a planet with thicker atmosphere and less gravity?


Sounds like more of the postmodernism "you can understand life in a scenario you haven't lived" nonsense. Really though, you can at least partially understand how animals think without being one of them (or since you, as an evo, view humans as an animal, a different one).

My cockatiels are protective of their feet, even though they've never had anything bad happen to them. But such makes since if you think about it in terms of necessary anatomical parts: their feet are the only part of them which allows them to rest. Both feet are equally necessary also, since one foot remains in usage while the other rests.

Also, on at least one occasion, I've caught Picasso looking at his bonded-mate Patricia in an adoring fashion. Such is able to be related to, as love is a commonality.

Cockatiels are also very conscious of personal space, and not necessarily territory in itself. Although, when they are nesting they act territorial in the defense of their eggs.

They also can respond with anger when awoken suddenly from deep sleep, and such is being grumpy.

So, it is not impossible for different forms of life to understand each other, even if their basis for spoken or language otherwise is alien to our own.