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10 May 2006, 2:54 am

One quote from Nietzsche has really stuck with me....

"Those who fight monsters must take care not to become them..."


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10 May 2006, 4:35 am

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Ever studied the concepts of the Left Hand Path? Years ago, children used to get their hands smacked in school by piggish teachers who couldn't stand to see kids write with their left hands, because it was thought to be a sign of evil.


And even the word "right" has been associated with 2 meanings: (1) the right hand side, and (2) correctness as in "Yes you are right about that", thus implying that one side of the body is "right" and the other "wrong". Ridiculous superstitions which have influenced speech.

A few things mentioned in this thread for me to research! Should be interesting.


Quatermass wrote:
One quote from Nietzsche has really stuck with me....
"Those who fight monsters must take care not to become them..."


That is very true, there is a risk of becoming that which you despise, or equally as bad. One needs to be aware of it and observe themselves for signs of it happening, and if so, take corrective action.



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10 May 2006, 2:37 pm

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In my Satan fantasy, anyone is accepted into Heaven provided they confess their sins, whereas Hell only accepts those individuals who have proven themselves to be outstanding. Therefore Heaven has many, many more occupants than Hell, but the quality of Heaven's occupants is much lower. Hence I described only 3 devils defending against 10,000 angels -- this is consistent with Hell only accepting the creme de la creme of people. So although there are far fewer devils than angels, each devil is far more powerful than an angel.


It sounds like hell is looking for "a few good men" I did 4 years in the Marines. We considered ourselves to be elite. We were also called "Devil Dogs" Does that qualify me for Satanist membership?? :wink:


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10 May 2006, 2:42 pm

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Blasphemy! Your gonna burn in hell.


I second that!! You're a blasphemer, emp. You no good blasphemous blasphemer!! ! :wink: :roll: :lol:


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10 May 2006, 9:01 pm

I read part of book (never finished it) called "the bean trees. It had a very interesting concept of heaven and hell. Physically both places were the exact same. The difference was the people and what they valued. If the people were kind and generous it was a nice place to be. If they we selfish and rude it was terrible. In emp's hell fantasy "heaven" is where all the holier-than-thou types go and "hell" is more for down to earth type people.



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11 May 2006, 10:00 pm

I like Satanic music...



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12 May 2006, 3:47 am

All you've done is switched labels. You just reverse stereotypes but you still have "warm cozy fires" which are "Good" so even though you are a satinist / Satanist, you are a "Good" satanist and so what kind of Satanist is that? While it's true that tradition has made it's point about white robed clouded harped heavens, so has the current generation made all this anti-Christianity some kind of gawth vogue. Here's your clown nose to go with that nice and oh-so-original image. *Honk* *Honk*. Reminds me of someone ranting wanting to create "Disorganized Religion". (sounds almost like a "Jump to Conclusions" mat)



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12 May 2006, 5:45 pm

I am with emp!! Hell has free pineapples too!! I like pineapples. Also Satan is logical and wise. All God thinks of is killing others for his gratitude. Let’s follow the voice of reasoning and wits. Any way God sounds like a right little as*hole lets burn him in hell and devour him bit by bit…..or not this is just one mans opinion. I am not sure if you can eat God any way as he is dead and we would be eating a soul or is god magical.....see God leaves no clues on what he is. At least with Satan we know hes a Devil so we have some clue.


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12 May 2006, 8:24 pm

Hahah, thanks man for yet another hilarious read at the expense of Christians. ^.^ I'm sorry, I try to be tollerant of them (and everyone else), but...I'll put it this way: I haven't had any Jews, Pagans, Muslims, or people of any religion except Christianity forcing their beliefs down my throat, wheres I've had Chrisitians doing so since third grade. (However, to be fair, there are some SERIOUS issues of religious intollerance in other parts of the world--"different" forms of Islam (meaning forms that are basically the same with 1 or 2 different details, which of course are enough to cause people to kill each other) being incorporated into constitutions, etc.)

I wouldn't call myself a Satanist, though, because I'd be afraid people would think me a Dick Cheney supporter. Thus, I remain an atheist. Very interesting (and fun to read) take on satanic mythology, though.



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22 May 2006, 5:22 am

i'd rather worship santa claus. people always say to me "if you've never seen santa how dya know he exists?" yeh well ive never seen the wind but i can still feel it

i believe he created me in 7 days. obviously the fact that he was half-cut on sherry at the time accounts for the fact that i am a subnormal

quiet i think i hear sleighbells! hope he's bringing me that dyson i asked for


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22 May 2006, 10:43 am

To: emp

How do You not know the Satan is not real and does not exists?


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09 Jun 2006, 9:01 pm

Hell! I've been there and gone back for more.

A little bit of shock rock anyone?
http://alice-cooper.lyrics-songs.com/lyrics/8391/

Going to cook my marshmallows by the volcano :P


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09 Jun 2006, 9:45 pm

Also. Everyone knows Squiggy is the one true path.



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10 Jun 2006, 1:57 am

There are many different forms of Satanism but because LaVey Satanism (the Church of Satan) is by FAR the most popular of the various forms and I am familiar with the LaVey Satanic Bible (I bought a copy years ago) I thought I'd share my opinion as it pertains to this particular organization.

Satanism = Anarchism + Nietzsche's views on Christianity.

If anyone out there is truly interested in where LaVey's ideas came from in all seriousness I suggest you carefully analyze "Beyond Good and Evil" or "The Antichrist" and then discard the man's ideas of any means to maintain any type of order/control in the world. However how can the world survive with everyone just "doing what they want" (murdering, raping, stabbing etc.) with no type of value system to enforce all this??
Satanism emphasizes that "man is just another animal". It also emphasizes showing love/respect to your family and those close to you (just as for example a mother animal would naturally nurture/love her baby).
What this "having as much as you can" with no order does is makes problems for you/your loved ones etc. down the road (if everyone just does what they want I highly doubt you or your family and loved ones would live very long for example), however some boundaries in society and a form of government where individuals have duties and codes to live by there is not only bigger highs of meeting your desires but bigger highs for your future as well.

It's like there's a bowl of chili. Everyone just takes what they want and fights over it first chance they get when in reality if they worked together they could make portions last and eat them at a time when they are really actually hungry and would enjoy the chilli more. The emphasis on "having as much as you can with no rules or boundaries" is not "evil" but just stupid and totally illogical.

One may argue that with the bowl of chili its "survival of the fittest" however this is "not the survival of the fittest" it's just the lack of any common sense for the future coming up.

@anyone that considers themselves a Satanist here/favors it as an ideology/lifestyle: Besides "being evil and scary" :p what are the advantages in your opinion of Satanism over Nietzscheism??

(And for the record: No I do not believe that Nietzsche had all the answers out there either personally :p)



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14 Jun 2006, 2:31 pm

PathoftheImmortals wrote:
There are many different forms of Satanism but because LaVey Satanism (the Church of Satan) is by FAR the most popular of the various forms and I am familiar with the LaVey Satanic Bible (I bought a copy years ago) I thought I'd share my opinion as it pertains to this particular organization.

Satanism = Anarchism + Nietzsche's views on Christianity.

If anyone out there is truly interested in where LaVey's ideas came from in all seriousness I suggest you carefully analyze "Beyond Good and Evil" or "The Antichrist" and then discard the man's ideas of any means to maintain any type of order/control in the world. However how can the world survive with everyone just "doing what they want" (murdering, raping, stabbing etc.) with no type of value system to enforce all this??
Satanism emphasizes that "man is just another animal". It also emphasizes showing love/respect to your family and those close to you (just as for example a mother animal would naturally nurture/love her baby).
What this "having as much as you can" with no order does is makes problems for you/your loved ones etc. down the road (if everyone just does what they want I highly doubt you or your family and loved ones would live very long for example), however some boundaries in society and a form of government where individuals have duties and codes to live by there is not only bigger highs of meeting your desires but bigger highs for your future as well.

It's like there's a bowl of chili. Everyone just takes what they want and fights over it first chance they get when in reality if they worked together they could make portions last and eat them at a time when they are really actually hungry and would enjoy the chilli more. The emphasis on "having as much as you can with no rules or boundaries" is not "evil" but just stupid and totally illogical.

One may argue that with the bowl of chili its "survival of the fittest" however this is "not the survival of the fittest" it's just the lack of any common sense for the future coming up.

@anyone that considers themselves a Satanist here/favors it as an ideology/lifestyle: Besides "being evil and scary" :p what are the advantages in your opinion of Satanism over Nietzscheism??

(And for the record: No I do not believe that Nietzsche had all the answers out there either personally :p)


A book that has an exelent counter-point to Nitche's Beyond Good and Evil is Dr. Michael Shermer's The Science of Good and Evil. He uses group-based evolutionary psycology to argue that altruistic behavior is an evolved mechanisim.


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Scrapheap wrote:
PathoftheImmortals wrote:
There are many different forms of Satanism but because LaVey Satanism (the Church of Satan) is by FAR the most popular of the various forms and I am familiar with the LaVey Satanic Bible (I bought a copy years ago) I thought I'd share my opinion as it pertains to this particular organization.

Satanism = Anarchism + Nietzsche's views on Christianity.

If anyone out there is truly interested in where LaVey's ideas came from in all seriousness I suggest you carefully analyze "Beyond Good and Evil" or "The Antichrist" and then discard the man's ideas of any means to maintain any type of order/control in the world. However how can the world survive with everyone just "doing what they want" (murdering, raping, stabbing etc.) with no type of value system to enforce all this??
Satanism emphasizes that "man is just another animal". It also emphasizes showing love/respect to your family and those close to you (just as for example a mother animal would naturally nurture/love her baby).
What this "having as much as you can" with no order does is makes problems for you/your loved ones etc. down the road (if everyone just does what they want I highly doubt you or your family and loved ones would live very long for example), however some boundaries in society and a form of government where individuals have duties and codes to live by there is not only bigger highs of meeting your desires but bigger highs for your future as well.

It's like there's a bowl of chili. Everyone just takes what they want and fights over it first chance they get when in reality if they worked together they could make portions last and eat them at a time when they are really actually hungry and would enjoy the chilli more. The emphasis on "having as much as you can with no rules or boundaries" is not "evil" but just stupid and totally illogical.

One may argue that with the bowl of chili its "survival of the fittest" however this is "not the survival of the fittest" it's just the lack of any common sense for the future coming up.

@anyone that considers themselves a Satanist here/favors it as an ideology/lifestyle: Besides "being evil and scary" :p what are the advantages in your opinion of Satanism over Nietzscheism??

(And for the record: No I do not believe that Nietzsche had all the answers out there either personally :p)


A book that has an exelent counter-point to Nitche's Beyond Good and Evil is Dr. Michael Shermer's The Science of Good and Evil. He uses group-based evolutionary psycology to argue that altruistic behavior is an evolved mechanisim.


Sounds like something worth checking out, I'll keep my eyes open for sure.
While I strongly disagree with many (but not all) of the judeo-christian morals and where the basis in them lies unlike Nietzsche or LaVey I believe that altruistic behaviour is built in and necessary and that it's ludicrous to believe otherwise. While I'd agree with Nietzsche that all humans have their failures and shortcomings (and that with a flawless Jesus Christ figure they now have something to base their failures on) I don't think this means that alll humans live just to serve themselves and themselves only.

Although I don't consider myself a "Nietzschean" nor a "Satanist" I find Nietzschean's ideas/ideology more rational than LaVey's or any other Satanist as Nietzsche puts forward the idea of a ubermensch for maintenance/control of society where as LaVey does not put forward any ideas. If one lives by the Satanic Bible... (well read my previous post for an analysis of what would happen). The concept of "humans being another animal" also is contradictory IMO as this brings 'humanism' into the Satanist equation, something the rest of the Satanic Bible seems to be very much against. Also while Nietzsche sees the obvious connection between the Christian God and self-deceit/reliance on illusion his works offer insight into this reliance of 'perfect' illusions rather than childishly trying to oppose Christianity just for the sake of opposing it.

Anyways to any Satanists, feel free to respond to my original post.