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Will anti-atheist bigotry in the GOP backfire in the long run?
Yes 20%  20%  [ 2 ]
Yes, but in a really, really, long time. 30%  30%  [ 3 ]
No 50%  50%  [ 5 ]
Other (explain in thread) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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27 Aug 2010, 5:44 am

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Speaking of which, what other prominent left-leaning leader(s) in America...... do liberals and democrats adhere to and follow around besides Obama?

Liberals are tied to Obama far more so than contemporary Rightists follow around any one demagogue.

You know, I don't think there is anyone out there in any area that's really 'leading' any particular flock. If you're talking about big power players behind the scenes conservatives would say George Soros regarding liberals, liberals would say Rupert Murdoch regarding conservatives, on media and talking heads its a bit trickier - you have them on both sides but they mainly stay economic/domestic/foreign policy oriented. You could say that there are both religious right and left - the religious right being the religious right, the religious left having more of a secular religion in terms of progressivism.

As far as Obama though, he's something entirely different than a leader. He's pretty much an empty slate, everyone was able to project whatever they wanted onto and that was something his campaign utilized a great deal. Other than endulging the globe's wishful thinking and daydreams for a while there's really not much else going on with him that's noteworthy.



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27 Aug 2010, 7:47 am

The religious right used to have Falwell to follow. I'm not sure what prominent evangelical has replaced him in his role (if any has) but my point was more that the religious right is completely united as a voting bloc.

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Speaking of which, what other prominent left-leaning leader(s) in America...... do liberals and democrats adhere to and follow around besides Obama?

Liberals are tied to Obama far more so than contemporary Rightists follow around any one demagogue.

Um... yeah, you haven't been listening to liberals at all. Most of them are somewhere between disappointed and furious with Obama. He certainly does not have the power to lead the liberal base anywhere he chooses.


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27 Aug 2010, 8:09 am

Apparently, a pair of billionaire brothers named Koch bankroll much of the libertarian political groups in the country, but they are not really in any sort of leadership position. From what I understand, they prefer to let their money talk for them and to remain out of the public eye themselves.


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27 Aug 2010, 8:23 am

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John Fleming wrote:
We are either going to go down the socialist road and become like western Europe and create, I guess really a godless society, an atheist society. Or we’re going to continue down the other pathway where we believe in freedom of speech, individual liberties and that we remain a Christian nation. So we’re going to have to win that battle, we’re going to have to solve that argument before we can once again reach across and work together on things.


http://kaystreet.wordpress.com/2010/08/ ... ian-nation

Aside from the fact good ol' Fleming is pretty much insulting the US's major social and economic ally (the EU), is Fleming shooting himself in the foot with his anti-atheist bigotry? While, at the moment, atheists are a pretty marginal group,

The nonreligious population, though, has increased 300% in the last 20 years (LINK), and while only a fraction of them are atheists I'm sure they don't take as kindly to atheist baiting. As the young population grows increasingly secular, as right-libertarian independents represent a rightwing demographic with a large fraction of atheists, will their be a backlash against such GOP bigotry in the longrun?



He is an idiot.

Freedom of speech and Civil liberties as it is called, nothing else, has nothing to do with religion. Civil liberties is the only thing that stops politicians from turning Usa into a religious theocracy with zero freedom of speech. The rightwing christian talibans have spoken again, nothing new said.

The sad truth is, as long as you have that electorial system that let states with 10 people in it get the same amount of votes as a state with millions of people in it, the republicans will continue to survive. They cannot win the popular vote (Eastcoast and westcoast) so they go where they can cheat their way into power; the electorial system.

Change the voting system and stop election of old hateful men who failed college economics. THAT is the best way for you Americans to save your country.


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27 Aug 2010, 10:27 am

Hanotaux wrote:
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doesn't herd around a leader and they don't vote in a bloc. The Religious Right™ does,


Who is the leader that the Religious Right is all 'herding around' at present?


The religious right is herding around James Dobson, Pat Robertson, and various local preachers who are in line with the upper echleons of the religious rightwing machine.



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27 Aug 2010, 10:36 am

Hanotaux wrote:
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I doubt it. The secular crowd doesn't herd around a leader


Speaking of which, what other prominent left-leaning leader(s) in America...... do liberals and democrats adhere to and follow around besides Obama?

Liberals are tied to Obama far more so than contemporary Rightists follow around any one demagogue.


Damn it, I'm sorry, but that's just so ignorant to say that I'm beginning to question whether you have anything important to add to the debate.

Many American reform liberals supported Kucinich or Edwards in the primaries, while others supported Obama simply because he wasn't the hawkish Slick Hillie. Reform liberal criticism started before Obama was elected. Ralph Nader, PZ Myers, and Paul Krugman all criticized aspects of Obama's policies and ideology well before he was elected.



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27 Aug 2010, 4:52 pm

i generally like to cause as much trouble as i can so..........how can anyone say "i am an atheist". how can you know that? i can't. can anyone tell me exactly how ' pick your word' got started....no. let's take the universe that we know. got a clue? yeah yeah yeah----big bang. how did that speck come to exist? how long did it exist? now how exactly did life get started? are you absolutely positive? i'm not. so, say you're agnostic.

folks who 'believe'. well, they know for sure, don't they. makes my brain hurt.

my thinking.....atheists are just like 'true believers'. 'i think this is true so it must be true.'

if you know there is no 'god' please, i beg you, help this not too bright lifeform out. HOW do you know that?

for 2012, i choose sarah palin/ levi johnston......let the games begin. "toe to toe--nukelar war with the ruskies"!



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30 Aug 2010, 5:36 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
John Fleming wrote:
We are either going to go down the socialist road and become like western Europe and create, I guess really a godless society, an atheist society.


Aside from the fact good ol' Fleming is pretty much insulting the US's major social and economic ally (the EU)


How is that an insult?