Professor Stephen Hawking says no God created Universe

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04 Sep 2010, 5:14 am

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Oh, for frak's sake...

I've tried to explain this to people at the local newspaper's website, and there's another thread on here about this already, but:

THAT IS NOT WHAT HAWKING SAID!! !

That's how the authors of various news articles want to frame the discussion - but what Dr. Hawking said was that the existence of God is not necessary for the creation of the universe. Given the concept of vacuum fluctuation, it is indeed inevitable that the singularity would eventually no longer be singular, leading to the Big Bang.

Similarly, given seismic activity and erosion, it's inevitable that eventually, a pebble on the lip of the Grand Canyon will fall in, meaning that it is not necessary for a person to come along and kick it in - but this does not then mean that there is no person who might have kicked said pebble.

Dr. Hawking is not yet senile, and is far too careful a scientist to make such an extraordinary claim as to rule out the existence of an entity existing outside the natural universe. He merely points out, correctly, that the universe would look the same whether or not such an entity existed. And contrary to what some self-proclaimed "religious leaders" want you to believe, noting this is NOT identical to declaring that "there is no God". Is it really so hard to find and read his actual words?

Exactly.

It's arrogant for these pseudo-intellectuals to try to reduce everything someone in a high position says to match their own viewpoints.

The same thing happened around the religions and scientific community when Einstein mentioned God and didn't specify his views.

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04 Sep 2010, 6:45 am

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But saying God isn't necessary surely must disturb some religious people.

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04 Sep 2010, 6:52 am

I am tired of this, I get frustrated and miserable when someone calls humans mammals, oh the pain, goddamn scientists...

They certainly do not lack misanthropic and TRAGIC views on humans.

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04 Sep 2010, 7:46 am

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I am tired of this, I get frustrated and miserable when someone calls humans mammals, oh the pain, goddamn scientists...

They certainly do not lack misanthropic and TRAGIC views on humans.

I felt the same way when I chipped myself out of the egg.

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04 Sep 2010, 8:25 am

Sand wrote:

yeahyeah wrote:

I am tired of this, I get frustrated and miserable when someone calls humans mammals, oh the pain, goddamn scientists...

They certainly do not lack misanthropic and TRAGIC views on humans.

I felt the same way when I chipped myself out of the egg.

You mean stepped into the adult world?

I am not too sure, the pain I felt was close to unbearable, it was like a needle stung into my heart, I hope I never get to experience something like that again, oh dear

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04 Sep 2010, 8:41 am

Humans are mammals.

There's nothing misanthropic about that...

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04 Sep 2010, 8:43 am

yeahyeah wrote:

Sand wrote:

yeahyeah wrote:

I am tired of this, I get frustrated and miserable when someone calls humans mammals, oh the pain, goddamn scientists...

They certainly do not lack misanthropic and TRAGIC views on humans.

I felt the same way when I chipped myself out of the egg.

Well, it's obvious some humans (especially Republicans) are reptiles.

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04 Sep 2010, 9:34 am

Sand wrote:

yeahyeah wrote:

Sand wrote:

yeahyeah wrote:

I am tired of this, I get frustrated and miserable when someone calls humans mammals, oh the pain, goddamn scientists...

They certainly do not lack misanthropic and TRAGIC views on humans.

I felt the same way when I chipped myself out of the egg.

Well, it's obvious some humans (especially Republicans) are reptiles.

Psittacus.

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04 Sep 2010, 10:12 am

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Humans are mammals.

There's nothing misanthropic about that...

I was talking about anti-human propaganda, there was a guy on Youtube who called humans "dumb monkeys", I am appalled.

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04 Sep 2010, 10:25 am

yeahyeah wrote:

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Humans are mammals.

There's nothing misanthropic about that...

I was talking about anti-human propaganda, there was a guy on Youtube who called humans "dumb monkeys", I am appalled.

Terrible thing to say. It leaves out vicious, destructive, generally selfish and much more.

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04 Sep 2010, 11:28 am

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The Cosmos has always existed in some state or another. The Big Bang expansion was not the beginning of the Cosmos but an intermediate stage in the history of the Cosmos.

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Quickly! Get this vital information to Hawking and other cosmologists! For the better part of a century they have been puzzled and now that you have proof of this eternal existence there will be great sigh of relief from the scientific community.

I think he was talking about eternal inflation or eternal inflation. The idea that fluctuations in a vacuum creates bubbles in space-time and those bubbles inflate to become new universes (i.e. Big Bangs):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_inflation.

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04 Sep 2010, 12:38 pm

yeahyeah wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

Humans are mammals.

There's nothing misanthropic about that...

I was talking about anti-human propaganda, there was a guy on Youtube who called humans "dumb monkeys", I am appalled.

"Mammals" are warm-blooded, oxygen-breathing creatures with hair (even if it's a trivial amount in only one place, all creatures defined as "mammals" have hair). Mammals also nurse their young from their own bodies; most bear their young directly, as it were, although there are a couple of species that lay eggs (specifically, the platypus and the echnida).

Humans are mammals. We are also apes (although not monkeys - monkeys have tails, while apes are tailless primates). Unlike most varieties of ape, those of us in genus Homo are possessed of more advanced cognitive function (even an idiot human is capable of greater cognitive feats than the average silverback gorilla, for instance); however, that doesn't make us some sort of separate creation.

How is this "anti-human propaganda"?

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04 Sep 2010, 1:44 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:

yeahyeah wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

Humans are mammals.

There's nothing misanthropic about that...

I was talking about anti-human propaganda, there was a guy on Youtube who called humans "dumb monkeys", I am appalled.

It depends upon who is composing the rhetoric as to how they paint humankind. Within the evolutionary perspective there are two ways to look at humans, primarily, that of Isaac Asimov who viewed the human body as an evolutionary masterpiece and that of the currently popular garbage about how pitiful we are (how we don't have this or that, and are thus worthless pieces of junk and so forth.)

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04 Sep 2010, 2:20 pm

yeahyeah wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

Humans are mammals.

There's nothing misanthropic about that...

I was talking about anti-human propaganda, there was a guy on Youtube who called humans "dumb monkeys", I am appalled.

What has this guy on Youtube got to do with the current topic of this thread?

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04 Sep 2010, 3:04 pm

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I think Hawking said this because he wanted to create some discourse...and to see if he could hit #1 on Google trends.

In other words Hawking was merely playing with publicity and didn't mean what he said. How do you come by the secret thoughts of Hawking?

is Hawking trolling?

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04 Sep 2010, 3:26 pm

Friskeygirl wrote:

Sand wrote:

takemitsu wrote:

I think Hawking said this because he wanted to create some discourse...and to see if he could hit #1 on Google trends.

In other words Hawking was merely playing with publicity and didn't mean what he said. How do you come by the secret thoughts of Hawking?

is Hawking trolling?

At the very least he's hawking.

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