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Do you support Pastor Terry Jones's Quran burning protest
Yes - I support it 12%  12%  [ 11 ]
No - I am against it 69%  69%  [ 61 ]
I don't know - Show me the results 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
I don't care - Show me the results 17%  17%  [ 15 ]
Total votes : 89

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09 Sep 2010, 9:09 am

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What's funny is the result as it stands right now with 8% supporting is what I had said yesterday that I thought would be a representation of the public at large for who would be supporting such an act. Actually, I said that 8% would be on the high end but considering the small scope, the adjustment from 5% to 8% is more than reasonable (and probably a little low).


Well to be fair, 2 is pretty small sample size :)



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09 Sep 2010, 9:40 am

Jacoby wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
What's funny is the result as it stands right now with 8% supporting is what I had said yesterday that I thought would be a representation of the public at large for who would be supporting such an act. Actually, I said that 8% would be on the high end but considering the small scope, the adjustment from 5% to 8% is more than reasonable (and probably a little low).


Well to be fair, 2 is pretty small sample size :)


25 is the sample size and that's absolutely tiny. To be honest, it wouldn't shock me to see the percentage end up around 20% or so on the pro side given the sample size available here.


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09 Sep 2010, 10:24 am

skafather84 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
What's funny is the result as it stands right now with 8% supporting is what I had said yesterday that I thought would be a representation of the public at large for who would be supporting such an act. Actually, I said that 8% would be on the high end but considering the small scope, the adjustment from 5% to 8% is more than reasonable (and probably a little low).


Well to be fair, 2 is pretty small sample size :)


25 is the sample size and that's absolutely tiny. To be honest, it wouldn't shock me to see the percentage end up around 20% or so on the pro side given the sample size available here.


For a nation hat has the immense propensity to believe the damndest nonsense and elects the most cockeyed and stupid idiots to run the country burning a piece of religious literature seems a rather mild effort.



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09 Sep 2010, 11:15 am

No, because it's stupid.

And book burning has generally symbolized silencing knowledge and revisionist policies, something that almost always the evil societies of the past have done.


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09 Sep 2010, 11:44 am

I'm glad that people are finally starting to push back against the Muslims a little bit.



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09 Sep 2010, 11:48 am

I had never heard of this before reading finding this thread, but it sounds silly to me.

The thing about drawing Muhammad at least had a point - it was about freedom of speech, and how the Quran didn't even ban pictures of Muhammad in the first place.

Burning the Quran, on the other hand, just seems like an act of hate IMO. I don't see how it will stand for anything worth while.



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09 Sep 2010, 11:51 am

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Simple.

Do you support this protest? Yes or no.

Not quite that simple.

Do I support his legal right to do so? Of course I do. I'm not a fascist. Do I think it's a good idea? Not really, no.


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09 Sep 2010, 12:35 pm

I'm opposed to this very notion!


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09 Sep 2010, 1:17 pm

pgd wrote:
BigK wrote:
Simple.

Do you support this protest? Yes or no.


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The US Supreme Court has already (symbolically) burned the Bible at the stake so why give an exemption to the Koran?

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That is nonsense.

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09 Sep 2010, 1:22 pm

No I wouldn't support it. It could even be considered hate speech.



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09 Sep 2010, 1:23 pm

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No I wouldn't support it. It could even be considered hate speech.


No it isn't. No more hate speech than flag burning. a book is ink on paper. A flag is colored cloth.

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09 Sep 2010, 1:53 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Jono wrote:
No I wouldn't support it. It could even be considered hate speech.


No it isn't. No more hate speech than flag burning. a book is ink on paper. A flag is colored cloth.

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The physical object doesn't matter, you have to look at what message they're trying to send by the act symbolically. Since the Koran is the holy book for Muslims, burning it signifies either total contempt or hate towards that faith. In their case it's contempt for Muslims because of the 9/11 attacks but the Koran is in a sense symbolic of all Muslims whether they condone those attacks or not. In a way, it's similar to flag burning in that burning a flag is an indication of hate or contempt towards the nation that the flag belongs to.



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09 Sep 2010, 1:55 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Jono wrote:
No I wouldn't support it. It could even be considered hate speech.


No it isn't. No more hate speech than flag burning. a book is ink on paper. A flag is colored cloth.

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I think it depends on the context. If you're burning Beatles records, that's not really hate speech; but if you're burning copies of the Talmud, I'd consider that hate speech.

Just the different contexts. And I realize that holy books are all just books of myth but in some ways, it's a tribalist act of war/aggression...if that makes sense. Religion divides people into tribes and when you make a public display of burning of such books, you're making a definite statement of hate against that certain tribe.


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09 Sep 2010, 2:36 pm

Terry Jones is a jerk but he is protected by freedom of expression.
The Koran, like all holy books, is just paper. It is not a person. Terry jones is attacking the beliefs of Muslims but he is not attacking Muslims themselves.


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09 Sep 2010, 2:59 pm

I wish I had a dollar for every-time I saw a group of Islamic Militants on the news burning an American flag, talk about having a double standard.

If you ask me though, any kind of book burning is more offensive than flag-burning. If this church group wants to burn a Quran, they might as well burn a U.S. flag along with it.
Reason being it's more of a disgrace to tolerate intolerance than to be in-tolerated.



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09 Sep 2010, 3:24 pm

This reminds me of the book Fahrenheit 451 when all books are burned down and anybody who has them goes to jail, although that case is more extreme then this. I am a Christian and I don't support this event because it dosen't show the love of our lord and savior Jesus Christ and it won't accomplish anything. It will only make us easier targets for Islamic extremists. Shame on the guy who made this event. :shameonyou: :ncool: :thumbdown:


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