Nation Once Again Comes Under Sway Of Pink-Faced Half-Wit

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So, I guess you two don't really agree with each other.

Glenn Beck's wiki article noted that he has virtually no post-secondary education, and it raises the question of how much he paid attention in HS, since he admits being high almost constantly from the time he was 15 or 16 until the mid 1990s. Furthermore, he's not a political agitator in the traditional sense of the term. Even Hitler was well read, despite having little formal education.

Beck is a radio DJ, his background is in those "morning zoo crew" programs that were popular in the 80s and 90s that had a tag team of young hosts doing really stupid things for the benefit of an audience of drug numbed teen boys. He's not a real leader, nor is he even a real politician. He's a bad DJ who fate has made the leader of Americans with real concerns about the problems the country faces.

Sarah Palin is a washed up beauty queen, all boobs, no brains. She lives for the catfighting, it doesn't have to have a purpose, she simply likes being queen bee, which puts her in the same category as Obama, only conservative rather than liberal. Sarah has a history of using the system to punish foes and reward friends, just like Obama. Neither are up to fixing the country.

Most tea partiers are older and are worried about outliving their money. They trusted Wall Street because they were told to, only to see their money transferred into the pockets of bankers. They worry that their kids will live in a third world country. Nobody really seems interested in bringing industry back to America, just in raping the system then parachuting out to a hideaway in Paraguay and watching the world come unglued via CNN satellite feed.

The leaders on all sides are in the same boat, loot em and leave em. That road eventually leads to Argentina, whose wealth was looted and spent long ago, now those people are living in hell. Why were all the factories located in China and all the consumers in the US and Europe? Because that was what made the most money. Now that the system collapsed, everybody is interested in just grabbing as much as they can and heading for the exits.

Let's not parse words here. When you say "people", what you actually mean is a very specific demographic of people: WASPs, for the most part, right? The white, Christian, largely affluent core of society, which has historically always been in control, and clings desperately to the status quo because they believe it's the only way to maintain their dominance?

As an American, I have to tell you, this "us and them" attitude is one of the reasons I live in Canada now. I don't want to live in fear, and I don't want to constantly be told-- by either side-- to hate or distrust a certain group because they're different from me. That includes Muslims and African Americans and homosexuals, and it includes conservative white Christians as well. People are people.

It's natural to be afraid of the unknown and the foreign, and also of change. This is instinctual for human beings-- and if there are any people who can truly appreciate being made anxious by change, it's Aspies. But I also know, being an Aspie, that the world doesn't stay static for you just because you want it to. The way we grow as human beings comes from overcoming our initial biases to form more informed opinions, and hopefully to realize our fears were irrational.

So let's go back to what you're talking about, specifically. Whose elimination? Whose genocide? White America? Because, honestly, I don't see that happening. The status quo is still in control, despite Obama's election. I think talk of "reverse ethnic cleansing" is at best a misguided fear based on ignorance (and when I say "ignorance", I mean it -- it's literally uninformed by any sort of firsthand knowledge), and at worst a cynical ruse employed by fearmongering politicians, commentariat (like Beck), clergy and corporations for the purpose of controlling and exploiting the masses. I'm not saying our society has no actual enemies-- but the average Muslim family down the block, who just wants to be able to worship like any other American family without being persecuted for it, is not one of them. When you begin pitting American against American, and spreading paranoia about "aliens" taking over, that way lies the destruction of the social fabric upon which the nation is built. And have you forgotten, most of us on this site are "aliens" too?

When we look back on our history, the slaughter of Native Americans, the enslavement of blacks (and other people), the subordination of women, and the internment of Japanese-Americans are all now, through our modern-day lens, generally seen as points of shame. When we allow our better angels to be silenced and we convince ourselves "they" aren't like "us", we're as capable as anyone else of doing some truly terrible things to other people. I'd much rather be on the side that stands against these things-- because, as an Aspie, I myself have had terrible things done to me for my differences, and I know how it feels.

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Y'know, I kind of feel that the entire post was humorous in nature. As a human being with a sense of humor, I appreciated that post. In fact, I would urge NeantHumain to stay uninformed just so he may continue posting mocking things that I find humorous. If not, then he has let the terrorists win.

Have you ever visited America? I'm doubting the possibility that you may have.

Visited? I am an American. Said it in my post. Lived in New Jersey, Georgia, and Florida for a total of more than 20 years, before moving to Canada.

Good choice in BC.

I made sure to include the link so it'd be clear that the article was comedic in nature.

I guess some people aren't into checking sources. I'd say they may wish to fix that.

No........ I mean everyone, and not just in the USA....... Italians, Poles, Germans, Southern Whites, Afrikaaners. And kudos to the French for working on getting the face-cover banned in public.

You only have to look to Zimbabwae/Rhodesia, and now South Africa to get a bit of a preview. Contrary to what Bill Clinton thinks, American liberal-enlightenment values will not survive 10,000 new Marion Berrys and Robert Mugabes. Not that it matters to Clinton......... he'll have his little enclave gated community.



I don't live in Canada, but I believe they have quite stringent 'anti-hate' legislation where you can get locked up for even criticising multiculturalism, stepping out of line, or actions like questioning the Holocaust? Doesn't Canada institutionalize PC and enforce it with the law. Good for you for living in Canada, but that tolerance is a sham enforced at gunpoint.

(note that I am not denying the occurance of the Holocaust, but I find it a bit telling when many countries feel the need to even criminalize any attempt at asking revisionist questions about a controversial historical event.)



Really? It happened in Zimbabwae, its happening in South Africa........ What is there to suggest that it will be any different in the USA?

When minorites largely take over the national apparatus, I see nothing that is seriously going to prevent more 'farm murders' by Obama youth brigades, parallel with the present events going on in South Africa.



Well, the Muslims aren't American........ and when we start getting 20 and then 30 and then 40 Muslim families together, and they start taking over towns, and then counties, and then states, and having anchor babies and bringing the rest of their clan over.........




I almost NEVER hear the demographic trends discussed on the news or on the radio. Pretty much every attempt to tell white people that they are getting phased out is ruthlessly silenced by mainstream news networks.

I was listening to the radio in my car a few years ago, and they were discussing the topic of "Blondes will be extinct in 150 years." They discussed it for about 10 minutes, and when callers began to call in to ask 'why Blondes were being wiped out?,' the station quickly pulled those calls and switched to a commercial.

10 years ago, when the 'Millenial baby' was born in America, you may recall that the baby was paraded about as an example of "the new American." He was described(rather conveniently LOL,) as a biracial baby who was going to represent the ethnic foundations of "The new American." Its not like this whole thing wasn't planned or that the social engineers didn't know what they were doing after WWII.

Besides a few anecdotes like the ones above, I honestly almost never hear discussion about the 'demographic winter' White birthrate being propegated on the news, or the exploding minority birthrate....... And I won't lie, I do listen to Rush alot while I happen to be driving about in the car, and even Rush Limbaugh rarely discusses this topic. I think if the conservatives were really trying to 'scare tactic' whites with threats about their own demise, you'd be bombarded with stories about counties like Gwinnet County, GA, where the demographic changes are really occuring in force. They'd be constantly showing news clips of schools with like 10% white pupils and white kids getting bullied and that sort of thing.



Mabye they aren't irrational? That's what people always say.......... 'Oh, you were just afraid of nothing.'

I'm sorry, but at the rate its going, the whole country is going to look like East. St. Louis, and that is the worst thing that could possibly happen. Contrary to what Bill Clinton believes, most blacks and Muslims don't give a damn about tolerance and all of that.....(and yeah, they hate eachother as much, if not more, as they hate white people.) They all see eachother as enroaching on their own 'favored minority' status.

We haven't even got around to talking about Beck on border security yet. That situation is enough to impeach Obama for dereliction of duty. Militant black liberals are fueling a national security emergency on our southern border and in the border states.

Got ya all scurred.

You're obviously not speaking for everyone, because I have no fear of being eradicated by "others". I embrace the diversity. And I know I'm not alone.



I dunno... Because the US isn't Zimbabwe or South Africa? Because we take pride in being a nation of laws, and we prosecute ideological violence? Because the closest thing we actually have resembling "death squads" are far-right extremists (KKK, Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder) who make that extra jump from violent rhetoric to actual violence?

Now that you mention Africa, though, I'm curious. Did you (or would you have) endorse the policy of apartheid in South Africa? How about segregation in the US?



But you're just proving my other point about jumping to conclusions, though. What you've done here exemplifies exactly the sort of rhetoric I was talking about. You don't live in Canada, but you know better than I what it is like here, even though I've been here for almost 3 years. It doesn't matter what I say, you've already made up your mind that Canada is some sort of socialist junta.

I know it won't make a lick of difference, because you're not going to abandon that narrative-- but I'll be honest with you about my experiences in Canada anyway. Truthfully, it hasn't always been smooth. My family took a trip to Quebec ten years ago, before I moved here, and I definitely felt looked down upon as an anglophone American. Last year, some idiot vandalized my car-- scratched F*** U YANKEE into the side-- because my car still bears a Florida plate. It took a couple hundred dollars to repair the damage. It's obvious there are still some underlying issues with cultural resentment here, far more insidious than the outward displays of Tea Parties in the States.

But for all its problems, I enjoy living in Canada. I've seen no gunpoint here (actual or metaphorical). In fact, I feel very free to speak my mind here, much freer than I felt when I lived in the South. Where I live, in Vancouver, is a thriving, diverse community, full of all sorts of ideologies and cultures-- and in the run-up to the Olympics, trust me, there was plenty of discourse on the topic of multiculturalism, including its downsides.



Really? Are you saying all Muslims are excluded from being Americans, even the ones who've had families living in the US much longer than September 11th? Even the ones who serve in our military? By that token, do we have the right to start excluding other people from being Americans based on religious beliefs, whether they're legal, law-abiding citizens or not? Are atheists and agnostics Americans? Are Hindus and Buddhists? Are Jews?

As for the whole "anchor baby" thing-- you are aware the child would have to be well into his 20s before he could assist his parents in attaining citizenship, are you not? This is not an easy way to gain legal standing in the United States, and it's certainly not the threat it's being made out to be.



Growing up, I went to two different schools in Georgia-- an all-grades private school for ten years, and then a public high school for three. My experience, believe it or not, was the opposite. In my time at the public high school, surrounded by various ethnicities, I was never bullied. In fact, the times I was bullied for being different all occurred at the private school, which had been established in 1970 as a response to integration. Two decades later, the student body was still 97% white, and still just as judgmental and xenophobic as ever.

I'm sure the types of stories you're citing do exist, and it's regrettable. But diversity does not necessarily always equal "gang up on the white guy", nor does homogeneity necessarily guarantee harmony.

Yes and Yes, provided that equal facilities were actually maintained and the minorities had their own free legislatures in their own areas. The desire is only to separate, not dominate.



Really, i'm not telling you what its like in Canada, but please correct me if I am wrong about the prosecution existing I described above?

It seems you can speak all you want of diversity provided you favor it.



I should have been more specific, but what I meant was that it is more than 'WASPS' who support the Tea-Parties and that sort of thing. Obviously I don't claim to speak for 'all white people,' but there are other whites besides Anglos who support the Tea Parties and so on, so on.



As I said, I don't feel that citizenship can just be handed out as a new ethinc-card. In Iran, even if I wanted to emigrate, I'd never be regarded as an actual Iranian even if I lived there for years. I'd just be an American living in Iran.

There were mabye like 5 Muslims here in 1776. Now, there are several million.

The problem with slowly getting eradicated in the name of diversity is that you and your descendants have to live in a society who were raised in less advanced cultures, who then vote to implement unsound economic policies. For example I can't tell you how many minority people I've met that think they will really have a better quality of life from raising the minimum wage. When I worked for minimum wage I knew that the drastic raises that the Mexicans pressured democrats to adopt were just going to raise inflation. The truth is that the raise didn't help or hurt me but it hurt middle class people whose wages weren't going up with inflation. The minorities have voted for affirmative action, and in dealing with government employees particularly you have to deal with someone who got hired for their race rather than their qualifications. College students get preference based on your race for grants and admissions (like my sister in law did) more than their academic record. The government grants credits to minority business owners over white business owners bid lower thus costing the taxpayers more money. There would be hell to pay after the next big earthquake, but it will be too politically incorrect to say the minority business owners did a shoddy job so some white guy will be made to take the fall. What is it about minorities and crime ridden neighborhoods anyway? I live in a very diverse area and most of the crime is from minorities. The next town over is lower income and about half white, half Mexican, and it's mostly Mexicans that are the crime problem. There are many black families around me in middle class neighborhoods, and some of those neighborhoods even have homeowners associations, and most of their kids grow up to be ghetto. The same goes for the Mexicans. Admittedly there is a token number of them that assimilate, but that is statistically bound to happen when you have hordes of them pouring uncontrolled over the border eating up jobs and social services like locusts, then having kids to get more social services, who then in turn fill up schools to overflow capacity and accomplish nothing but cause problems while they are there.

Isn't diversity just wonderful?


Between a closet racist black principal and a rabble rouser Mexican activist from off campus organizing student protests, there was lots of tension at my school. With the black principal, I could charges pressed against me for defending myself or get a single afternoon detention for a felony assault. It all depended on what the other person's race (and sexual orientation was- the black principal didn't like homosexuality). The Mexican rabble rouser caused tons of tension on campus and was eventually elected to the school board and all I can say is that I graduated just in time because she caused tensions to boil over among students all over the district.

And why is it that white people get slapped with gun control laws because of minorities actions with them? It's not that our fault that most gun-related crimes involve minorities. It's not our fault most of them cannot physically or mentally deal with them in an evolved way.

I see nothing desirable at all about a future 'vibrant' diverse culture, as the present hints of it now seem to be merely nothing but a bunch of screaming clowns jumping about in garish outfits, singing about jacking hos and busting a cap and whatever........

Even when the Irish and Italians were supposedly going to breed out WASPS with their 'inferior stock,' (as Orwell suggests).... their cultures weren't propegating such violent sub-artistic filth on a massive scale. I see nothing good to come from a future bi-racial population of MTV wigger drones that follows an instant-gratification culture.

This country actually had a pretty damn good culture when it was 85-90% white. It was running pretty smoothly the way it was but the social engineers just couldn't let well enough alone. I think the seeds of the white 'self-hate' we see now were largely planted by the pervasive anti-German/Aryan propaganda that was disseminated after WWII. Many of the Jewish psychiatrists and sociologists were convinced that an ethnically monolithic white country could never exist again with a population that was more than 90% white, as it would just be too strong to be part of the world equilibrium and just run out of control without a proper minority population to bring it down. Strong minority voting blocs would emerge to provide a strong check to nationalism.

In the schools, new liberal educators would wipe away any old thoughts of Nationalism or ethnic loyalty, at least with white students. Instead, the youth would be indoctrinated to adhere to "the human race." They would say sycophantically whenever such issues came up, "We are all the human race........... I am colorblind," etc............... This would have been fine in theory except these same educators promoted an agressive new ethnic nationalism in the black minorities. A terrible double-standard was kept up for years where blacks were allowed to have their own aggressive exceptionalism and still unite into strong militarized groups. This will likely be the source of the eventual eradication of the white population by 'Obama youth squads,' Decades later. Whites are trained to be the Eloi, and blacks/Muslims the Morlocks.

But I see nothing desireable with the serene European culture being infused wth the tacky and hyper-socialized exotic cultures. Both Europeans and all of the minorities should be preserved as unique peoples in their homelands.