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Screaming "racist" is tantamount to bleating "four legs good, two legs bad".

I was thinking maybe reverse psychology would apply. If instead of getting mad and calling you delusional, racist, etc... people tried to find something worthwhile to discuss with you in a reasonable and logical manner. Then maybe, just maybe, you'd lose your only psychological defense mechanism, your victim/persecution complex. Of course this is pretty much impossible since you don't ever really provide any substance to go along with your strange hyperbolic rants, but I digress....

Debating liberals that do something other than scream "racist" or "bigot" when something offends what they have been pre-programmed to believe would be a nice change of pace.

I guess, like those farcical delusions you suggested at me recently of 'gangstas' wiping out rednecks in the next big race riot and other such things? I defintely wasn't seeing the "reasonable and logical manner" there, but only reciprocated attempts at provocation.



Why, even if I bothered to regularly offer references and such things, you would just say that the source was conservatively-biased, so I don't even waste the effort.

Besides, its not like I see copious references offered up every time some liberal poster on here rants about Christians, tea-baggers, etc.. Just saying, mabye you should police up your own and have them cite everything like a Uni thesis before you get up the nerve to lecture others about "substance."

Marshall Wrote:

If you are really going to offer yourself up as some paragon of exceptionally "reasonable and logical posting," as in a debate, just remind yourself of this thread................

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf138883-0-120.html

Not exactly your finest hour. (LOL)

I'll be "reasonable and logical" when I feel like it. I decided not to be on that thread because it was mostly trash-talk from the very beginning. I've had "real" debates with other people on here. I haven't really seen anything from you that wasn't loaded with hyperbole and (likely fabricated) anecdotes.

Ok, sure........ I don't even think about you anyway, much less have any concern about impressing you with what you perceive as "substance." You can take from my posts what you will.

Brainwashed clowns like you aren't even my target audience anyway.

wonderful, truly wonderful...

Do you really need to ask? This one is a true blue loony tunes hater...

What an utter nonsense, it may just be a statement of fact based on accepted definitions of words and concepts.

Also what of your own 'programming'? I think it may be that you have forgotten all the conditioning of home and school?

IMO what is wrong with being racist is that it weakens the nation.

It maintains and intensifies division and contention within the nation.

The nation would be stronger if everyone was working together towards common goals rather than contending against each other.

As an example how competitive would an NFL team be if it chose only to employ white players and coaches or only black players or coaches? If they did mix their team how well would they do if the white players preferred to pass to other white players to improve their numbers and so salary.

Would you not take the best available receiver if he was black? When you come to negotiate with the best available white receiver what do you think his salary demands will be like?

Do you see it as "a white receiver can't paid work these days because of all the blacks"?
Do you fear that that would apply to all jobs. I heard that blacks only make up around 13% of the population and I guess most of those would be classified at the poorer end of society. I don't see the middle class being swamped anytime soon.
Is it that the white working class don't think that they could compete if the underclass were more productive?

For all I know you and I might have complimentary skills that would make us a very good team. Maybe good enough that we could both retire wealthy men. To me it seems bizarre that anyone would write off a potential ally solely because of their skin colour.

Would you prefer to have a situation like Northern Ireland or Bosnia or Rwanda? If you perpetuate and accentuate divisions rather than trying to build closer ties things will always turn nasty eventually. The worse the inequality the sooner that will be.

If you declare yourself to be an enemy rather than a potential ally then people will react to you accordingly.

What would your final solution be? Partition? Ethnic cleansing?




Spend a couple of weeks staying at our house.

It's not practical right now but you never know what the future will bring.

We might all learn something.

I had to double-check that Google hadn't redirected me to Stormfront just then.

Oh. Maybe it DID redirect me to Stormfront after all.

Prison

It's not about impressing me.


lol. I'm a brainwashed clown. Whatever.

I already understand your game is to provoke people into attacking you so you can feed your victim complex. Look at me, everyone's attacking me! This just confirms that I'm right and everyone else is a pee-cee brainwashed clown!

RH wrote:

I doubt it would interest you much, but I actually grew up in a very diverse neighborhood, in a diverse school with lower-middle class parents who never expressed any "racist" views, at least not to me. They actually made a huge effort to expose me to all sorts of different individuals and activites. They had no religious bent as well......... I'd describe them as Agnostic.

My teachers as well for the most part were dyed-in-the-wool liberals and moderates, both in public school and college.

So you would think that the natural formula bandied about "more liberal education = less conservative "close-mindedness?" would apply? Why am I not another clueless multiculturalist?

Also, I actually identified myself as a "liberal" until age 17 or so. I never really had any strong political persuasions actually until I was about 16 or so, but I was politically aware I suppose. I recently looked back over a scattering of school-papers I had written when I was 15 or so and was dismayed by the spoon-fed liberal ideology that I spouted off on those assignments in a Pavlovian manner. I didn't really care at the time of course on issues like immigration......... I was more than content just to process the propaganda and then recite it back in the necessary style just to ge credit for the assignment.

Still, with my feelings in High School, I would have classified myself as 'Left-Center.' I did have many acquaintences who were from many ethnicities............ India, Muslim-Land, Africa, Latin America........... the whole smorgasboard.

The only time I ever went to church besides weddings and funerals was with an evangelized friend of mine who dragged me along a few times when I was 14 or so. I found it terribly boring and it did not influence me at all.





You make good points, but I don't feel that immigrants should even be a part of "the nation" in the first place.

Its like immigrants playing on national sports teams, and representing countries like France in the World Cup as 'official representatives' and 'frenchmen.' Even if the immigrants may be better soccer players or faster runners, it makes any success the 'French' team has meaningless if the Cup is just won by ringers. Better for France to be represented by actual white Frenchmen. The "French" team didn't even have any success btw, but got eliminated in an embarassing farce. They would have done better to field all white Frenchmen who actually had some identity with the flag they represented.

You used sports as an example........... The ethnic identity of national teams should be that of their indigenous majority. Like the German team filling up with Poles and Turks and Africans.......

--------------- And btw, the 'diverse' French, German, and British squads have been getting routinely surmounted by the Spanish and Italian football squads, which are still virtually 100% white. So I'm not sure your analogy of the superiority of mixed-race squads always holds up. It would seem that the vaunted superiority of touted mixed-race squads is getting thrown back in their face by the countries still fielding all-white teams.

I'd rather have a cohesive unit of players all from one race with a similar background pulling together towards one goal. Find a common background with a common culture.

Football and Basketball are kind of shoddy examples because blacks are so dominant in those and control the culture of every team, so its hard to find one NFL team that is "all white" to hold up against the pack. I would actually strongly suggest that an 'All-white" NFL franchise would absolutely dominate the league.

In baseball though, I've noticed that teams that routinely staff their squads with mostly whites consistently have more success and less "clubhouse drama."

The Cardinals for example used to be an underacheiving team in the early 90's with many blacks and mexican players. After Tony La Russa took charge, he cleaned out the team of most of the minorities and staffed the team with solid white players(most of whom weren't superstars,) but the dysfunction went away and the team started winning. For periods of years, there wouldn't even be a black player on the team, and only Dominican players like Pujols who were superstar-caliber and who he knew were of a higher caliber of personality.

I do think we actually could and would get along very well. I've talked about these issues many times before with blacks and other minorities face to face, as well as more everyday things. I think blacks and other immigrants are perfectly capable and all of that. I just don't see the need to change the cultures of the host countries and allow massive immigration.

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