do you support the death penalty?

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That might be possible in a few cases but you can never be sure.

i personally could not declare that a person should not keep their life, and i do not think that i am lesser than anyone else, so i do not see how any human can take the life of any other person away because they judge them as unfit for life.

life in prison is a life removed from freedom, and that is the severest punishment i can think of that is reasonable for another human to impose.

life is what no one on earth, no matter how smart, can create.

so no one is authorized to remove life because they can not create it.

Throughout history mankind probably had no second thoughts about murdering each other for various reasons and certainly taking the lives of all other species. I don't like that but that's just the way things are.

And that's the best question.

The death penalty is not about rationality (there is no logical argument in favor of it), it's only about feeling of revenge.

Also safety. How do we remove the people who are most violent and least self-controlled from our midst. Death is the Ultimate Exile. Unfortunately the possibility of wrongful punishment exists. The best compromise between public safety and reversing incorrect sentencing is to have penal colonies far removed from the bulk of society. That way we remove the bad actors but we can reverse is an error in judgement is made. I vote for penal colonies, rather than the death sentence.

ruveyn

And yet what areas are remote enough to have a fool-proof penal colony? Something that isn't outrageous like Russian gulags or North Korean labor camps.


I'm against the death penalty. There's just too many problems with the process and the concepts supporting it. I rather have life-without-parole for the worst of the worst.

If you want fool proof then the death sentence is permanent and beyond doubt. If you want justice you will have to put up with some uncertainty.

ruveyn

I wasn't asking that. More about geographic areas in which you can put a sustainable penal colony yet far enough away to protect the outside world.

Not like we can use Australia anymore.

Rehabilitation is great but only for non-violent criminals. I don't even really believe in incarceration for non-violent criminals honestly. However, I don't believe murderers, rapists, etc. can ever be reintegrated. I don't see it purely for revenge, I liken it more to putting down a rabid dog They're sick and society must be protected.

In Australia we do not have the death penalty. Our crime rates are much lower than in most states that still practice it.

I don't think there is much correlation between the two. Australia is, for the most part, an isolated homogeneous island in the south Pacific. I think high crime rate in the US has much much more to do with our draconian drug laws than anything.

If protection would be the priority, prevention would be the rational choice. The crime is done, and if you are worried that they can escape because they are not put to death, there are 2 parameters that contradict this:

- Death row prisoners spend 8 to 15 years in jail, mostly because the procedure is way more complex in order to prevent the execution of an innocent. They still can escape.
- If a prisoner sentenced for life escapes, the means to prevents him from escaping failed.

Prevent, prevent, prevent.. see the pattern? Humanity sucks at preventing, and instead of working rationally on the causes, instead people prefer to imagine stuff, make up goofy rationalizations of the consequences. And this self-destructive pattern is present everywhere. Welcome to Sparta!

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Stop thinking, bring some evidence. If not I will think you are just trying to make up goofy rationalizations.

Evidence of what specifically?

I believe getting rid of drug laws and moving away from incarceration of non-violent criminals would be preventative. Drug addiction is health issue, not a criminal one. Incarceration isn't rehabilitative for most and only adds to criminality. There is still going to be rape and murder tho no matter what preventative measures are taken and that's because there evil and sick people out there and they should be eliminated.

Tierra del Fuego, the a**hole of creation.


ruveyn

Death is not the worst thing.

Some people just cannot be considered rehabilitate-able (serial killers, child molesters, proven sociopaths doing time for something awful, etc....). To leave them in the pen even for several consecutive life sentences they still have a chance at parole (if the laws change) or even escape.
You can't parole a dead person nor can they escape so those risks are no longer.
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