North Korea a puppet for China and Communism

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China will support North Korea if push comes to shove. They always have. Similarly, America will back South Korea.

Some senile midget with delusions of grandeur has the power to escalate a decades-old border dispute into a war between the two strongest world powers. Wonderful.

Using this logic; it would not be unreasonable to conclude that the Watergate burglaries were carried out by Woodward and Bernstein.



Huh? I have no idea where you’re going here.




Well he was the President of Lebanon, it is not too much think that the people of Lebanon might want to know who killed him. The report into the matter will no doubt conclude Hezbollah had a hand in the assassination. This will happen, because Hezbollah most likely did have a hand in it.

The ‘evidence’ you have produced, if we can call it that, is twofold.

1) Israeli spies have been busted repeatedly and were caught up in some other assassinations in Lebanon.

This is true, the Mossad has an interest in spying on elements within Lebanon, considering that elements with that country seek to destroy Israel. They have also assassinated people there too. Syria and Hezbollah have also done the same. From this evidence alone, you are not justified in reaching this conclusion.

2) The contention that Israel has profited from the murder is objectionable. This is a subjective view, not an objective fact. Many things have gone against Israel since the murder as well. For instance, they fought a war there and Hezbollah has becomes the most powerful non-government force within Lebanon (even more so than the army). The rise of Hezbollah is clearly not in Israel’s interest.

Your arguments seem to amount to nothing more than a conspiracy theory. I teach middle-east history, if you bought this rubbish to class without REALLY GOOD evidence you would be off to fail land.

Hariri was not the president of Lebanon. He was some Saudi-backed billionaire who was prime minister a couple of times. So what? This is not about the Lebanese people at all. The whole Hariri thing was used to first, force the withdrawal of Syrian forces from Lebanon and the installation of a pro-American government in Beirut, and it facilitated Israel's 2006 aggression against Lebanon. These things suggest strongly that Israel, as the main beneficiary of the assassination, is guilty, particularly when considering Israel's assassination history of which it takes great pride, and its spies being caught in the phone system and doing other acts of espionage.

One other point. The original suspect was Syria when that was the first of the ducks in a row to be shot down. When the Syrians were out of the picture, conveniently the focus shifts to the second duck. Right now I'm still surprised that they haven't cleared Libya for the Lockerbie bombing, now that it has paid off, and gone to blaming Iran for it as they did order it in retaliation for the shooting down of that Iranian passenger airbus by the USS Vincennes for which the commanders were given medals.

Hizbullah may have made Israel look bad and its prestige may have increased (though that's Israel's mistake in that war) which is why this murder is being pinned on it. Other then that Israel got what it wanted in Lebanon. A U.S. client state was created when before it was under Syrian protection.

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I often find it confusing. You are right he was the PM not the President. As to the rest of your argument it is purely unsupportable BS.

Israel is perhaps the only country on earth that openly boasts of its assassination prowess and its amen corner all over the world share its enthusiasm and excitement over that. Hizbullah was not the big winner in the Hariri assassination, Israel was, this is so abundantly clear as to be self-evident.

The Cedar Revolution, have people forgotten that? The celebration of a pro-Western (and indirectly, pro-Israeli government) backed by the Bush Administration packed as it was with Israeli agents like Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz replacing one backed by Evil Syria, and also Evil Iran? Tell me, how is this a victory for Hizbullah, and how is this not a victory for Israel?

Ok, so the fact that Woodward and Bernstein were the main beneficiaries of the Watergate scandal means that using your logic, it is reasonable to conclude that they obviously were behind the break-in.

What is wrong with targeted attacks. They are a lot less bloody than mass attacks against enemy cities. Look at what the Allies did during WW2. They killed over a million non-combatants. Wouldn't it have been better if they could have decapitated the Nazi leadership and the Japanese leadership? The war would have been shorter and a lot less expensive in both treasure and blood. The Israelis are right in taking pride in relatively "clean" operations. Look at the attack on the reactor in Baghdad in 1981. The reactors was taken out with exactly one (1) fatality, a French technician who decided he would work at the office. That attack is textbook and an inspiration to relatively clean warfare.

ruveyn

Yes, funny how Israel always benefits "by accident"... everyone's "mistakes" always cause Israel to win. Doesn't matter if Israeli specialties are carried out, it can never be them, if they benefit it's by accident. I guess that "proves" that they are Chosen by God, that "He who blesses them shall be blessed and he who curses them shall be cursed".

The problem with your conspiracy theories Xenon is that the world is just not run as intelligently as most of those sorts of theories assume.



I wish all wars were settled this way. With the death of a Frenchman
Honestly though, if everything could be done like this the world would be a better place.

I wrote the above text.

ruveyn

The French built the Israeli nuclear programme. Gratitude is cowardice, that is the slogan of Israel and its supporters.

Are you trying to insinuate that the Israelis deliberately killed that Frenchman? It rather seems that you think they attacked that reactor as some sort of poke in the eye to the French.

In other words, that attack had exactly nothing to do with the French, or gratitude, or anything else in your sentence. They attacked it because they perceived it to be a threat. That's it.

Oh and unless the Israelis have been shelling the South Koreans, they're a bit irrelevant to the topic.

No not at all... it was a slightly anti-French joke. I followed it in the next sentence with my honest opinion.