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skafather84
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15 Dec 2010, 2:47 pm

Banned_Magnus wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Banned_Magnus wrote:
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists



The illusion of order does not indicate the existence of a deity.


You have the right to believe whatever you want. But, if someone claims to believe differently, we have no right to alter their beliefs just to make our beliefs more consistent with their own.



But that "belief" is based off a logical fallacy that because there is some form of order that we perceive that there must be a deity. The perceived order could simply just be one instance in billions of other instances where the physics didn't exist correctly but we haven't been able to perceive it yet. That's also assuming that there is order to our own existence which is still something in question, at the moment. Then on top of all that (billions of probabilities and the assumption that our reality is, in fact, orderly) there's the assumption that there's a deity that intelligently interacts from above our reality at least at the beginning of it. The last assumption is based off of no perceived evidence in our reality but rather from mythology (which also consists of many other ideas and creatures that do not exist). So that whole line of thinking is just critically flawed. Could there be a deity? I'd wait for a Pegasus, first. But, in all likelihood, there isn't.


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17 Dec 2010, 4:05 pm

Good stuff. A few I like:

"Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators the creator seeks--those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest" - Nietzsche

"Religion is a defense against the experience of God." -Carl Jung

"Intelligence makes clear to us the interrelationship of means and ends. But mere thinking cannot give us a sense of the ultimate and fundamental ends. To make clear these fundamental ends and valuations and to set them fast in the emotional life of the individual, seems to me precisely the most important function which religion has to form in the social life of man. Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." -Einstein

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind." -Einstein