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How dangerous are the Rapture Mongers?
Not at all. 30%  30%  [ 7 ]
Slightly, in terms of reduced incentives for long-term planning. 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
Fairly, considering how reckless they are when it comes to long-term actions due to their belief in an imminent end to the World. 30%  30%  [ 7 ]
They'll self-fulfil their prophecy. 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
I AM A RAPTURE MONGER - WE'RE HELPFUL BY INFORMING PEOPLE TO PREPARE FOR THE END! 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
I AM A RAPTURE MONGER - we have no effect whatsoever. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other (Explain in Thread) 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Undecided 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 23

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16 Jan 2011, 6:59 am

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Rapturists try their hardest to cause a war. Some are trying to engineer a red heifer with genetics. This they hope will trigger a war as this red heifer will "force" Israel to blow up the third holiest site in Islam. This is why they're dangerous and they're doing it hoping to cheat death through the perverted death of others.



The Israelis are not going to commit suicide over a steer. You have wildly overestimated the influence of the ultra orthodox in Israel. The only thing that is going to blow up the Mosques on the Temple Site is either a Muslim attack or a natural disaster. I am hoping for the latter. A big honking magnitude 9 earthquake. If that is not the will of Allah, nothing is.

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16 Jan 2011, 7:53 am

I guess it depends upon how much they let such a belief influence their actions. As best I can tell, most who believe in the Rapture are no more or less likely than anyone else to save for retirement, their kid's education, etc. (factoring in socio-economic status, since I believe these sorts have both less education than the population as a whole and are probably more likely employed in fields that don't guarantee stable employment, e.g. construction, retail, etc.) This group should of course be left in peace to the extent they leave you that way. As silly as I might personally find the "Beam me up to Jesus, Scotty" (leaving behind fillings, eyeglasses, hearing aids, heart valves, fake eyelashes, clothing and so on) brand of Christianity, doubtless I believe a few things they'd find equally silly.

Tolerance does NOT mean acceptance, despite how confused the terms seem to be becoming these days.

The David Koresh types are a horse of a different color. I'm honestly not sure what the best approach might be. If the association by members is voluntary and not coerced, I guess I'd say leave them in peace as well...the problem being that such groups seem to warp both their leaders and members over time, and issues of physical and sexual abuse inevitably crop up. And when the authorities try to address the latter stuff, screeching about having their religious rights infringed is also inevitably cited, giving the group a nifty -- and false -- smoke screen defense. Certainly the way the Clinton administration went about the Koresh matter was a clusterf**k of the first order, though I'm not sure exactly what they SHOULD have done, in all honesty. :?

And, finally, there's Blondie... :wink:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHCdS7O248g[/youtube]

Rapturists of that sort I'd actively encourage.


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16 Jan 2011, 9:00 am

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The David Koresh types are a horse of a different color. I'm honestly not sure what the best approach might be. If the association by members is voluntary and not coerced, I guess I'd say leave them in peace as well...the problem being that such groups seem to warp both their leaders and members over time, and issues of physical and sexual abuse inevitably crop up. And when the authorities try to address the latter stuff, screeching about having their religious rights infringed is also inevitably cited, giving the group a nifty -- and false -- smoke screen defense. Certainly the way the Clinton administration went about the Koresh matter was a clusterf**k of the first order, though I'm not sure exactly what they SHOULD have done, in all honesty. :? .


Not burning them all alive would be good place to start on what they shouldn't of done.



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16 Jan 2011, 10:35 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NThCh-_mgag&feature=&p=8ED784FAA6B40C37&index=0&playnext=1[/youtube]



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16 Jan 2011, 5:56 pm

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WHAT BRIDGE FELL DOWN? Sorry if I missed a major news event.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Miss ... ver_bridge



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16 Jan 2011, 6:07 pm

Chevand wrote:
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WHAT BRIDGE FELL DOWN? Sorry if I missed a major news event.


Well, it's not exactly the most current news story, but there was the I-35W Mississippi River bridge collapse in Minneapolis three and a half years ago. 13 people were killed. That's a pretty good example of the sort of destruction to which our current trend of neglecting the infrastructure leads.


For some reason, the Minneapolis bridge collapse still "feels" pretty recent in my mind or at least the stories of it are still pretty "vivid". Perhaps that's because the media narrative (at least when it's foreign countries reporting on the US) has shifted to discussing the US's declining infastructure.


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16 Jan 2011, 6:09 pm

I grew up around a less extreme version of "rapturists, and at worst, they will just annoy you.

xenon13 wrote:
Rapturists try their hardest to cause a war. Some are trying to engineer a red heifer with genetics. This they hope will trigger a war as this red heifer will "force" Israel to blow up the third holiest site in Islam. This is why they're dangerous and they're doing it hoping to cheat death through the perverted death of others.

Democratic-run jurisdictions in question have lost much of their tax base. They can't create their own money unlike the Fed and the banks. Blockbusting and redlining had a lot to do with it, not to mention one of the first of the neocon hits, "planned shrinkage".

I never knew that roads and bridges were the responsibility of cities.

That Christian group is out to try and bring about the second coming of Christ, not a war. However, it is naive of them to think they can influence the timeline of God's plans.


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16 Jan 2011, 6:10 pm

How dangerous are Rapture Mongers? They are great entertainment - the Left Behind / Ascended Into The Sky people. There's a short sequence in the 2008 movie, The Pilgrim's Progress, which is about the Left Behind idea - at the Interpreter's House.



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16 Jan 2011, 8:41 pm

maybe instead of trying to build money pit "high speed" rail, they could use that money(since they're obviously not hoing to give it back)for roads and bridges. That what my new governor(he was elected largely on this issue) wanted to do but the feds decided to throw a hissy fit and gave the money to Illinois insted.



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17 Jan 2011, 2:17 am

LKL wrote:
backagain wrote:
WHAT BRIDGE FELL DOWN? Sorry if I missed a major news event.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Miss ... ver_bridge


Before that it was the New York State Thruway Bridge (I 90) in Scoharie Creek New York.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoharie_ ... e_collapse

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17 Jan 2011, 2:39 am

I certainly do fear holy rollers like Sarah Palin and that heartless pin head, Sharon Angle, who may someday come to high office on a frenzied popular wave. And there, are free to steer government toward their cataclysmic ends in order to fulfill their "biblical prophecy." And in getting there, citizens who don't fit with their image of the "to be raptured" (gays, Muslims, liberals, etc.), might just find themselves on the "outs" in the meantime.

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17 Jan 2011, 11:34 am

Those who conspire to engineer red heifers would be sent to Guantanomo if they were Muslims.



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17 Jan 2011, 11:37 am

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Those who conspire to engineer red heifers would be sent to Guantanomo if they were Muslims.


That whole thing is pretty damned creepy.


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17 Jan 2011, 11:39 am

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Those who conspire to engineer red heifers would be sent to Guantanomo if they were Muslims.


Muslims are not into red heifers. That is a Jewish thing.

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