Regarding Obamacare--You need to read this

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Then pick the house republicans that voted for it, and name the bill after them. The bill wouldn't have been approved without them, and the bill was modified in many ways to make them vote for it.

Well, to be fair, the people who didnt have health insurance before, some of whom could afford it, were gambling with other people's money that they wouldnt get sick. Catastrophic things happen. Unpaid bills for care was a problem that was driving up costs.

So when low cost insurance policies are made available and someone says that they'd rather keep betting on black with my money, I have to wonder who is the one being responsible. It's not like they are going to stick to their guns and die peacefully at home without asking for help. I would salute the libertarian who gambled, lost, and crawled away to die.

The CBO says that the effect on government finances will be positive in both 10 and 20 year windows. They may be right, we'll have to see.

Let's see. I am 75 years old. Chances are I will not live to see that.

ruveyn

such is the thing with long term benefit.

Actually, those of us who have insurance have already seen a couple of positive effects:

1. We no longer have to ask the insurance company's permission to see a shrink.

2. Our children are now covered under our plans until age 26.

That alone is the victory of lobbying power of the insurance companies and why this health care bill is a powder keg that will blow up in their faces within 20 years time.

They lobbied to get the gov. run health system thrown out of the health care reform. That doomed the US citizen to not having any alternative option. The health insurance companies all operate in the same manner: for profit. The non-profits still need to balance incoming money and outgoing from what they charge the people they insure. In short, they operate on the basis that if they don't have people paying them they go under. A gov. run service does not have that issue other than its yearly allotted budget.

But.. thanks to the wealthy insurance magnates buying off congress not only do they remove the only true competition (gov. run system) but also manage to force every citizen and resident into paying them a TAX (there is no other name for something you are forced to pay by the gov. and punished by the gov. if you do not). Talk about securing your cash cow and increasing your milking capability all in one blow.

I'm getting out of here. If I make it overseas and i'm still forced to pay insurance while overseas i'll simply surrender my citizenship. Its not worth it.

Actually, ever Republican could have voted against the bill in the House and it wouldn't have mattered. The Dems has a overwhelming majority in the House and a fillabuster proof majority in the senate, they could have passed Obamacare with 0 Republican votes. The fact they were having problems even geting their own party members to vote for it, shows how much the legislation stank.

What is it with liberals and blame Republicans, blame Bush, blame Palin (whom isn't in a position to actually do anything) anyways?

I think The Economist has it right on this one.

Republicans are facing an ugly set of possibilities, and they appear to be blind to the consequences of their opposition. If they are successful in overturning the personal mandate, what then? There are a vast number of perfectly legal elements of the legislation that will remain in place (largely the restrictions surrounding insurer's capacity to refuse or discontinue coverage), but the personal mandate will not longer be there to fund them. Slackers will be free to avoid insurance during their healthy years, and only opt into the system when they get into later years when they will be a net drain on the system, and insurers will have no legal option but to insure them.

There are only three responses to such a trend: 1) insureres will allow premiums to rise to the level that will sustain the system, or 2) allow insurers to go bankrupt. Either results in the complete failure of the private health insurance system. The first through unaffordability, the latter through systemic collapse. The third option is to allow insurers to deny coverage, which will be political suicide.

And all that will make mandatory public sector coverage the only option left. If this is truly what the Republicans want, they are certainly pursuing a clear path towards it.

Obama wasn't in office in 2006 nor was Obamacare active then. Sounds like you may have other problems than Obamacare.

in 2006, nobody was drafting laws that will eventually require me to buy a service that 1) i cant afford, and 2) i dont plan on using.

Sounds to me like my "problems" are just beginning.

Blame republicans for what exactly? That US is a step closer to being a 1st world country? Anyway, you are pretending that no republicans voted for it, but they did and the current bill is the result of trying to make republicans vote for it. There is no need to go with tangents.

It is also dumb to insist in calling it Obamacare. Maybe it is that you guys are on the assumption it will be deemed as an evil bill in the next electoral years. But what if it does not? What if people actually start to like it? Then calling it Obamacare will ensure that Obama gets all the credit and free votes for it.

Majority rules. If people start liking obamacare, if its deemed a "sucess" by the majority, then by all means, obama should get credit for it. But if he should fail and it winds up like Dirigo Health (maine;s similar failed legislation...google it) then, by all means i want his name attached to it.

just reward people who sign up and pay for their insurance before hand. Either with priority or tax cuts, perhaps both?

You are assuming that if you have no current medical problems this minute, it is impossible for you to have medical problems in the near future. You could walk outside tomorrow and be hit by a car. It happens all the time. You are in Maine so you are familiar with how Stephen King was was walking along the road and got hit by a car. Ok, he wasn't in his 20's. But drivers don't make sure that they never accidentally hit people in their 20's. Stuff happens. And it happens all the time to young people in good health.

You have a point, but that does not change the fact that healthcare is an expensive luxury that i cannot afford.

Oh, and i live about a mile from Stephen Kings mansion.

Sorry but the numbers just don't add up. How can something reduce the deficit yet increase the debt?

It is 10 years of income for 6 years of benefits, that's what the Democrats sent the CBO. I would argue that we are one step closer to falling off a cliff and at best we can expect to be a 3rd world country if the Democrats spending insanity isn't stopped.

Would you rather I call it Pelosicare?