DNC caught trying organize protests in Wisconsin

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I will grant that there has been a lot of envelope stretching in recent years [and some less recent, while FDR may have had mandates and excuses no doubt the envelope was stretched].

Impeachable ? I will have to leave that to those who may know the facts and who have the Constitution down pat. The one thing I KNOW is we have seen impeachment even where pretty clearly justified will not always stick.

If it were just the state DNC and the Teacher's Unions I wouldn't have posted this up.

However, this is the sitting President of the United States involved in causing or fanning the flames of riots here in the United States as though he wants chaos.

Agreed.

While certainly not the first to do things like this, I'm sick and tired of the mass media pandering to issues based on its own agenda (which presents a story that distorts the importance of the issue), and I'm sick of special interest groups "packing the house" with professional protesters or imported supporters who do not represent those with a dog in the fight.

The democrats lost the election, the GOP has majorities in the state assembly and the senate. What this mob and the state democrats(by literally fleeing the state) are trying to do is usurp the democratic process.

Scott Walker is a politician no doubt, I've known many people that have dealt with him personally. Police, firefighters, and state troopers shouldn't be exempted from this bill but they endorsed him the elections. It's not fair but, our state is broke and these unions having been running this state dry for decades. I feel sorry for them in the sense I know that these people just want to support their families however none of them seem to care that that this money is stolen from the other 90% of Wisconsin by the end of the gun. Most of the state workers I've talked to about this seem perfectly fine with Walker's alternative of firing 6,000+ state workers.

Maybe these mobs causing trouble in my capital should march against these wars, maybe they should march against our draconian drug war, maybe if they marched for more than "I want mine", I'd feel sorry for them.

I find these so called poor teachers so unsympathetic. You've dragged your feet for years on reform, you've ruined generations of children, we've had enough. I say Walker should fire every teacher that doesn't show up to work.

Certainly. Who here remembers Reagan the "Great Communicator?" Or Teddy Roosevelt's "Bully Pulpit?" FDR's Fireside Chats?


1) Are these "riots" or "protests?" The difference matters, and I suspect you are calling them "riots" for a specific rhetorical purpose.
2) You have actually not given evidence that Obama is personally involved, only that groups "linked" to him are.
3) If Obama were personally involved, there is no way in hell this would be even close to an "impeachable" offense. Are you seriously suggesting that the President of the United States is legally prohibited from engaging in political activism? I mean, I know you're batshit crazy and not exactly the brightest crayon in the box, but that goes to new levels of fail.

You're trying to make this into some massive shadowy conspiracy. It's not. It is left-wing groups openly supporting a left-wing cause (that is, unions). You can disagree with them, you can oppose them, but I don't see how they are being underhanded or being part of some sort of sinister plot.


The rights to assembly and protest are guaranteed in the first amendment of the US Constitution. What is it with the Right? When you lose an election, it is your God-given right to stand in the streets and yell and b***h about it for the next several years, but when you win an election, "the people have spoken" and no opposition can ever be permitted to stand in the way of a Republican majority, however slim.

Ronald Reagan and FDR never organized protests against Governors in the United States. If Reagan decided to make life difficult for some Soviet backed foreign power it would not be remotely equivalent to what is going on.

We have a President of the United States (or people in the White House) using the power of the Presidency to organize protests against elected Governors within states to support his campaign donors. That is where the line is crossed Orwell.

That is where it turns into something other than a 1st Amendment issue, if it were just MoveOn.org or something like that I would be pointing out who is funding the protests and they would be well within their rights to do so. However, the White House being involved in organizing the protests is not a 1st Amendment issue, it is arguably a 10th Amendment Issue.

And teachers lugging their students to the protest. What, there was no study hall monitor?

Fine, how about when that commie bastard Eisenhower stomped all over states' rights, even going to the point of sending armed federal troops to overrule the will of the people in one state? He even federalized the Arkansas National Guard and summoned the Governor to order him not to oppose the decision.


As I said, you have not demonstrated that this is true, and if it were true, you have not demonstrated that it is actually illegal, immoral, or at all a break with precedent.


The DNC (just like the RNC) is involved in political activism at all levels. You still don't have a point.

From what I've heard the voters in Wisconsin are siding with Republicans on this.

I don't have a problem with peaceful protesters. Actually being in the state however, you wouldn't believe the things I hear people say about Scott Walker and his family, things that could get these people thrown in jail for even uttering. I find it hilarious that anyone could even suggest that the Tea Party (showing up to town halls and sitting in lawn chairs are so scary) were stoking the fire of violence in this country compared to these thugs who openly threaten the lives of our representatives and are willing to burn this state to the ground (figuratively and probably literally) to get what they want. These are truly the most hate filled people I've ever encountered. There is also a big difference between protesting against a tyrannical government intruding on your life too and protesting for the state to keep stealing the money of your neighbors by the end of a gun. A lot of these protesters aren't even from this state too, they've been bussed in from around the country by these unions.

Whatever about the protesters tho, the biggest issue I have are that the state democrats have literally left the state to avoid voting on this. The reason for that is because there is a call of the house so the our police are authorized to arrest these cowards and drag them back to the capital if need be so they had to flee our jurisdiction.

I find it disturbing that the majority of these protesters are teachers, these people are the folks teach your kids. They should fire them all.

Loving that new tone.

Don't blame the unions for bankrupting the state-- blame Walker. Wisconsin was projected to finish the 2010-2011 fiscal year with a $121 million budget surplus until Walker took office and gave out $140 million worth of tax cuts to businesses and special interests. That's why Wisconsin is in the red now. This hasn't got a thing to do with the financial drain of the public sector employees-- it's about a Republican state government trying to gloss over its own pro-corporate bias and justify dismantling the unions once and for all so they can run roughshod over the Democrats come election time. You even admit that the bill unfairly exempts the three unions who supported the Republicans in the last election-- the police, firefighters, and state trooper-- from dissolution. What more proof do you need that this is about destroying every last major fundraising institution the Democrats have in Wisconsin, and tilting the political playing field in favor of the GOP?

Not really. We had a budget shortfall with the last budget too but they got like a billion from Obama's stimulus and did things like freezing pay and having a bunch of furlough days essentially punting on the real issues that face our state. Our two year budget shortfall for the new budget is projected to be somewhere around $3 billion. Blaming Walker has no basis in fact honestly.

I think they should make cuts to police, firefighters, and state troopers too for fairness sake.

There is a pretty big flaw in your reasoning.

The Arkansas Governor was defying a United States Supreme Court ruling.

Brown vs. Board of Education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._B ... _Education

The President is supposed to enforce the laws of the land, and the US Supreme Court had issued its verdict.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine



Trying to disrupt state government by instigating White House backed protests isn't criminal in your book? Somehow, I don't think you'd be saying this if we were talking about George W. Bush.



The DNC is not the White House, again if it were just the political party you may have a point, however this is going through the White House at some level, that means abuse of power.

Darn liberals and their protests, what's liberal stunt will they invent next? freedom of speech?

If academe is any indicator, that is the last thing they would want to expand. You quickly learn to keep your mouth shut on any of the scheduled topics.

Um... no. There is a long precedent of Presidents issuing calls to action and encouraging people to do something. Both Roosevelts did it, and so did Reagan and plenty of other Presidents. And you still haven't even demonstrated any factual basis for your claims. The most you've gotten is that a group affiliated with Obama's presidential campaign is involved... so freaking what? Obama isn't out there on the picket line, and to my knowledge he hasn't issued any statement on the subject. He has not, as far as we know, been directly involved, so your claims of some massive conspiracy directed by Obama are just absurd. He has bigger things to worry about than some strike in Wisconsin.


The only source you've given has cited some committee within the DNC as the driving force. Somehow I think that if there were anything more tangible than that, they would be screaming about it.

And political activism on the part of federal officials is only an abuse of power if they are ordering state-paid subordinates to work for a given campaign. If Obama is directing DNC volunteers or DNC employees to do something in connection to a political cause he supports, that is perfectly legal and ethical.