US Supreme Court says Westboro Baptist is one true Church

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02 Mar 2011, 9:05 pm

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The best way to shut them up is to ban religion, and make the country officially atheist.


That would be unconstitutional at this juncture.

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And then you must think about the irony :P


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02 Mar 2011, 9:30 pm

Probably not, since they call him the Antichrist.


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02 Mar 2011, 9:51 pm

Freedom of speech is good.

Idiots will always misuse freedom of speech, that does not mean you should stop the freedom.

At the end, although funerals are a very insensitive place to do these things, the protests themselves are no different than what homophobes already do in other locations. Making funerals no free speech zones sounds good but may be a little arbitrary.


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02 Mar 2011, 9:56 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Freedom of speech is good.

Idiots will always misuse freedom of speech, that does not mean you should stop the freedom.

At the end, although funerals are a very insensitive place to do these things, the protests themselves are no different than what homophobes already do in other locations. Making funerals no free speech zones sounds good but may be a little arbitrary.
Well yeah freedom of speech should definitely continue to be protected, but disruption of funerals should count as disorderly conduct. Kinda like how you can listen to music inside your house, but once you crank it up and shake your neighbour's windows, it is considered disturbing the peace.



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02 Mar 2011, 9:57 pm

Depends how private the funeral is.

I think military funerals are rather public acts.

Blurry line.


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02 Mar 2011, 10:10 pm

ruveyn wrote:
raisedbyignorance wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
The best way to shut them up is to ban religion, and make the country officially atheist.


That would be unconstitutional at this juncture.

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And then you must think about the irony :P


What irony? I am an Aspie. Spell it out for me.

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I meant the irony of banning a collective group's freedom of speech in order to ban one group's freedom of speech in a country that values such an ideal more than most countries in the world...provided of course, you consider religion a collective group with freedom of speech in the U.S.

The WBC is unfortunately jumping through all the loopholes to such a degree, that to politically fight them we would end up creating a double standard for ourselves and that would not be good.



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02 Mar 2011, 10:16 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Depends how private the funeral is.

I think military funerals are rather public acts.

Blurry line.
A funeral is a funeral to me so IMO it should apply to both. I can't go to a library, put my hand in my pants, and jerk off so it's only fitting that I shouldn't be able to go to a military funeral yelling "God hates fags!" through a loudspeaker even though jerking off with my dick in my pants isn't technically public nudity.



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02 Mar 2011, 11:13 pm

There are laws against harrassment.

Would they apply? ( ie the demonstrators charged with harrassing the families of the fallen).



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03 Mar 2011, 12:11 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
The best way to shut them up is to ban religion, and make the country officially atheist.


"That trick never works, Rocky!"


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03 Mar 2011, 5:29 am

raisedbyignorance wrote:

The WBC is unfortunately jumping through all the loopholes to such a degree, that to politically fight them we would end up creating a double standard for ourselves and that would not be good.


What is wrong with double standards. Mankind has had double standards since God invented dirt.

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03 Mar 2011, 6:30 am

Religions will fight each other who is right, every religion think they are all right, matter to know the bible to find the correct one, no religion wants to admit they are wrong, this is why there is so many, members break away.

Right from Martin Luther to the present time, there has been split after split.

No wonder people get turned off with religion with some baseless religions, baseless teachings.

If any religion, this includes mine too, does not match the proper teachings of the bible, then it should be regarded as false teachings, most Christians dont realize this, the membership must read the bible for themsevles and don't be so dependent on the preacher during church services, the preacher can be teaching errors.

People just get confused and under a spell, members of a church should be able to challenge their leadership, people whom preach in my church encourges the members to challenge the sermon against the bibles teachings.

Even if the teaching is popular it does not mean its completely right, I ask Christians to study their bibles, with a proper translation NIV or KJV, all other translations teach nothing but distortions of the truth.

I got a flyer of watch tower, at a train station, I could have had a debate with him, but I didn't had the time or cant be bothered I was too busy, and I just tore it up and threw it in the bin, follow the bible only and your be totally fine.

Tim Tex has a good point.



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03 Mar 2011, 9:31 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
Depends how private the funeral is.

I think military funerals are rather public acts.

Blurry line.


Public Crudity topic

WBC goes to funerals that have been advertized publically and scheduled as such.

One way to avoid this is to make a funeral private and then publicize it after it happens and perhaps schedule a private memorial service in a closed place to avoid the WBC crashing the party. I would do this just to avoid them. they seem to be sneaky though, and they might even find a way to attend even a private ceremony.

They are barred from Canada, and even Europe, as far as I know. :)


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03 Mar 2011, 10:07 am

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Probably not, since they call him the Antichrist.


Obama deserves Salvation as well, God loves him too.
I think he would be good man deep down inside, take away the title president and he is just like the rest of us, We might called all presidents antichrists, but its not the case they all humans.

I call Christians to pray for Obama's salvation his soul is precious as well, deep down he is a human being and I personally would like to meet him and his family in heaven.

Give this Obama guy a fair go, he deserves Jesus too, God is just and God knows the true heart of Obama, besides God created him, its between Obama and God and God will help Obama to be saved.



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04 Mar 2011, 2:10 am

Also, the Supreme Court considers Scientology to be a religion, so I don't have much faith in the Supreme Court anymore.


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04 Mar 2011, 2:14 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Also, the Supreme Court considers Scientology to be a religion, so I don't have much faith in the Supreme Court anymore.


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04 Mar 2011, 2:49 am

naturalplastic wrote:
There are laws against harrassment.

Would they apply? ( ie the demonstrators charged with harrassing the families of the fallen).


It is my understanding that the Supreme Court quite specifically noted that the demonstration had followed all the state and local laws, and law enforcement conditions. I think that was important to the decision. They have left a window for states and local authorities to balance the competing rights of funeral goers v. protesters through local laws.


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